Soaring Energy Bills Labours Fault According To Energy Minister

[Axe]

44 minutes ago, geared said:

We've got the two largest windfarms in the world I believe.

 

but the percentage transfer towards renewables is also due to shutting down all the coal power stations.

I believe we are doing well regarding wind renewables.  I believe the Tory government has been too fast to close down coal power stations when they still have years of life left in them.  Both the Tory and Labour government failed to plan well for the future energy needs between 1979 and 2010 which has resulted in the UK playing catch up with other nations that planned better.

[Annie Bynnol]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

The decision made to grant the licence for the first new nuclear power station was made in 2012 which was 2 years after the Tory party became the government.  Nuclear power stations cannot be built overnight.

"Nuclear power stations cannot be built overnight" It takes Tories 18 years to build one of the eight they planned

And thanks to Tory planning we will have one nuclear power station left by the end of this year. 

And thanks to Tory planning no more than two available in the next  15 years 

 

2008 plan for eight new nuclear power stations announced

2009 Tories sell British Energy and eight most modern nuclear power plants to the French Government(EDF) for £12.4 billion.

2017 Hinkley Point C site work commences

2018 Dungeness Closed

2019 Hartlepool Closed

2019 Heysham 1 Closed

2023 Heysham 2 Closes*

2023 Hinkley Point B Closes*

2023 Hunterston B Closes*

2023 Torness Closes*

2023 - 2026 Sizewell B only British nuclear power station

2024 Sizewell C sitework to commence 

2026 Hinkley Point C part opens

2035 Sizewell B Closes*

2036 Sizewell C part opens

 

*Already having had their working lives extended EDF say further extensions and output levels dependent on future inspections by Office for Nuclear Regulation.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Annie Bynnol
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[Axe]

13 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

"Nuclear power stations cannot be built overnight" It takes Tories 18 years to build one of the eight they planned

And thanks to Tory planning we will have one nuclear power station left by the end of this year. 

And thanks to Tory planning no more than two available in the next  15 years 

 

2008 plan for eight new nuclear power stations announced

2009 Tories sell British Energy and eight most modern nuclear power plants to the French Government(EDF) for £12.4 billion.

2017 Hinkley Point C site work commences

2018 Dungeness Closed

2019 Hartlepool Closed

2019 Heysham 1 Closed

2023 Heysham 2 Closes*

2023 Hinkley Point B Closes*

2023 Hunterston B Closes*

2023 Torness Closes*

2023 - 2026 Sizewell B only British nuclear power station

2024 Sizewell C sitework to commence 

2026 Hinkley Point C part opens

2035 Sizewell B Closes*

2036 Sizewell C part opens

 

Already having had their working lives extended EDF say further extensions and output levels dependent on future inspections by Office for Nuclear Regulation.

The Tory government deserve criticism for not building or planning enough nuclear power stations between 1979 and 1997.  Sizewell B opened in 1995 but no nuclear power stations were built during 1997 and 2010 when the Labour party were the government.  If you are going to criticise the Tory government for a  lack of planning then you should also criticise the Labour party for a lack planning regarding nuclear power stations if you are a fair unbiased  contributor. 

 

The Tory party were not in government during 2009 so they could not have sold anything to anyone in that year

Edited February 28, 2023 by Axe

[S35_2o21]

3 hours ago, Axe said:

When the Tory party came to power in 2010 only 6% of  UK energy was generated from renewable sources.  After nearly 13 years of Tory governments over 40% of UK energy comes from renewable sources.  Regarding nuclear power the Tory government has made a decision to have new nuclear power stations which something the Labour government did not do when they were in power for 13 years.

A major issue with the energy use in the country is on domestic heating. We have some huge numbers of ageing housing stock. In 2014, George Osbourne also cut the 'green' charges from Energy bills. Those charges were funding insulation programmes which were benefitting individual households, and presumably the building contractors who were employed on them.

 

The Tory party have attempted to develop a subsidy scheme to encourage owner occupiers to upgrade their homes, both of these schemes have failed. 

[BigAl1]

45 minutes ago, Axe said:

The Tory government deserve criticism for not building or planning enough nuclear power stations between 1979 and 1997.  Sizewell B opened in 1995 but no nuclear power stations were built during 1997 and 2010 when the Labour party were the government.  If you are going to criticise the Tory government for a  lack of planning then you should also criticise the Labour party for a lack planning regarding nuclear power stations if you are a fair unbiased  contributor. 

 

The Tory party were not in government during 2009 so they could not have sold anything to anyone in that year

You are absolutely right both parties are at fault on this subject. There is no proper planning and warnings about shortages have been going on for years. The problem is that it is expensive and each government wants to leave the problem for the next one to pay

[Annie Bynnol]

44 minutes ago, Axe said:

The Tory government deserve criticism for not building or planning enough nuclear power stations between 1979 and 1997.  Sizewell B opened in 1995 but no nuclear power stations were built during 1997 and 2010 when the Labour party were the government.  If you are going to criticise the Tory government for a  lack of planning then you should also criticise the Labour party for a lack planning regarding nuclear power stations if you are a fair unbiased  contributor. 

 

The Tory party were not in government during 2009 so they could not have sold anything to anyone in that year

    Thank you for correcting my mistake.

[Delbow]

5 hours ago, geared said:

We've got the two largest windfarms in the world I believe.

 

but the percentage transfer towards renewables is also due to shutting down all the coal power stations.

And how many of the offshore schemes were green lit before the Tories got in is another relevant question.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, BigAl1 said:

You are absolutely right both parties are at fault on this subject. There is no proper planning and warnings about shortages have been going on for years. The problem is that it is expensive and each government wants to leave the problem for the next one to pay

That's how our politics has always worked.

By the time things get really bad, we will have gone and they will have to deal with it.

We pay them to sit on their backsides and pass the parcel ( or problem ).

 

 

 

7 hours ago, geared said:

We've got the two largest windfarms in the world I believe.

 

but the percentage transfer towards renewables is also due to shutting down all the coal power stations.

We waste large amounts of energy because they sometimes produce more than the national grid can handle.

 

[Prettytom]

14 hours ago, BigAl1 said:

You are absolutely right both parties are at fault on this subject. There is no proper planning and warnings about shortages have been going on for years. The problem is that it is expensive and each government wants to leave the problem for the next one to pay

It is high time that expensive, long term, important projects were addressed on a cross party basis. 
 

Energy security, food security, health and education are all far too important to be at the whim of whichever party scrapes together 38% of the popular vote.

[geared]

11 hours ago, Delbow said:

And how many of the offshore schemes were green lit before the Tories got in is another relevant question.

Dogger bank planning started back in the early 2000's.  Originally planned was 6 wind farms, and can you guess what happened in 2015?  Plans for the last 2 windfarms were abandoned.

 

Plans are now in motion to add more back in, no idea if they will be to the capacity of the original 6 windfarm plan, but it's a lot of stupid back and forth.