El Cid Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Resident said: The NHS has been mismanaged for decades, through Labour governments as well as Conservative. If that is true, do you accept that you must accept it's failings, as none of the party's can fix it? With a worsening lifestyle, people are living longer, so it must be doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, El Cid said: If that is true, do you accept that you must accept it's failings, as none of the party's can fix it? With a worsening lifestyle, people are living longer, so it must be doing something right. The NHS is awesome Thats why all the expats and holiday makers come running home whenever the poo hits the fan Its one of the biggest organisations in the world so its never going to be perfect.....especially no one is accountable for the money that is wasted Its used as a political football and weaponised by whoever is not in power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Gee Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Jack Grey said: The NHS is awesome Thats why all the expats and holiday makers come running home whenever the poo hits the fan Its one of the biggest organisations in the world so its never going to be perfect.....especially no one is accountable for the money that is wasted Its used as a political football and weaponised by whoever is not in power Do you come back from your place in Florida if you’re feeling ill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Resident said: When Conservatives took over in 2013 the NHS budget annually was £112 billion, now in 2023, a decade later it's ~£188 billion 2010 with the "coalition" - 2015 with their own majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) Posted in error Edited May 22, 2023 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 15 hours ago, Jack Grey said: The NHS is awesome Thats why all the expats and holiday makers come running home whenever the poo hits the fan Its one of the biggest organisations in the world so its never going to be perfect.....especially no one is accountable for the money that is wasted Its used as a political football and weaponised by whoever is not in power Bingo. But everyone deep down knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 16 hours ago, Jack Grey said: Its used as a political football and weaponised by whoever is not in power Weaponised?????? Supposed to be a big gun, firing like a pea shooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Starmers speech about the NHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) I've watched the above Starmer video. Yes I'm surprised there's not been anything about it on the mainstream media (as far as I know) as it's an interesting speech. Not specific enough of course, but when are they ever? It all depends on whether you can trust him to deliver, but then again it's a certainty that the NHS will get a lot worse under the Tories if they are allowed to continue with their demolition of it. Starmer's vision sounds convincing, but is a typical politician's speech, light on the detail. We all know what needs to be done, what we want to know is how it will be done. He talks about building up the care workers into a profession, and paying them better, good, but no mention of incorporating them into the NHS which I think is essential. And he seems to think that AI is going to come to the rescue which fills me with dread. Nevertheless, it's still worth a watch. Edited May 23, 2023 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Anything Starmer says about the NHS can be dismissed in a stroke due to the way Labour in Wales has managed their NHS. Whenever there's a serious issue in England, be it with the hospitals, waiting times or ambulances, then Labour are all over it. Yet when it happens in Wales - nothing. While Labour MPs today continue to throw mud at Braverman for her speeding, this happens Woman died on floor after waiting over five hours for ambulance in Wales https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/22/woman-died-home-waiting-over-five-hours-ambulance-wales?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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