Failing Nhs

[hackey lad]

9 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Says who?  

 

This same hysterical scream has being heard for decades whenever the tories are in power.

 

But where is the actual evidence that we are going to go even close to anything like America has.

 

The Tories have denied that the NHS is up for sale.... Corbyn's electioneering grandstanding claims that the US trade talks included the NHS turned out to be complete lies....  It is calculated around 40% of government expenditure goes on the department for health and social care with around 160 billion alone going to the NHS in the last budget (which is around a 66 billion increase to the last budget Labour gave the NHS before they left office)......

 

The NHS still employees the equivalent of 1.5 million full-time employees on last stats with a 3.5% increase from the prior year.  Out of those, more than 52% of them are professional qualified clinical staff.  Here's something to put that in perspective the entire global McDonald's Corporation has just 400,000 more employees than the uk NHS.  

 

The NHS spending on the private sector is less than 10% and has remained around that for some years.   For most of us, dentistry, optical and pharmacy has always involved some form of private business. As do most GPs who are more than happy to keep running their very lucrative private practice partnerships.  Same with the majority of the drug companies for whom without them the NHS couldn't function and certainly would not be able to itself take on the vast amounts of money involved in researching and developing new medicines.  Let's not also forget that several large NHS hospital trusts offer to treat private patients and make a very tidy sum out of it every year. Some even have their own entire private ward sections. Nothing was changed even in your beloved Labour years So clearly plenty politicos, patients, consultants and practitioners more than happy to keep quiet and leave status quo.

 

Ultimately this whole thing about tory,  privatisation and US models is too much boy cries wolf syndrome. Heard it all before for decades. Seen all the same hysterical newspaper headlines, Union pot stirring and political showboating campaigns year in year out and simply not buying it.

 

If it is really their goal to be selling it off to the yanks, they are going a bloody long way round.

Truth  

[Delayed]

26 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Says who?  

 

This same hysterical scream has being heard for decades whenever the tories are in power.

 

But where is the actual evidence that we are going to go even close to anything like America has.

 

The Tories have denied that the NHS is up for sale.... Corbyn's electioneering grandstanding claims that the US trade talks included the NHS turned out to be complete lies....  It is calculated around 40% of government expenditure goes on the department for health and social care with around 160 billion alone going to the NHS in the last budget (which is around a 66 billion increase to the last budget Labour gave the NHS before they left office)......

 

The NHS still employees the equivalent of 1.5 million full-time employees on last stats with a 3.5% increase from the prior year.  Out of those, more than 52% of them are professional qualified clinical staff.  Here's something to put that in perspective the entire global McDonald's Corporation has just 400,000 more employees than the uk NHS.  

 

The NHS spending on the private sector is less than 10% and has remained around that for some years.   For most of us, dentistry, optical and pharmacy has always involved some form of private business. As do most GPs who are more than happy to keep running their very lucrative private practice partnerships.  Same with the majority of the drug companies for whom without them the NHS couldn't function and certainly would not be able to itself take on the vast amounts of money involved in researching and developing new medicines.  Let's not also forget that several large NHS hospital trusts offer to treat private patients and make a very tidy sum out of it every year. Some even have their own entire private ward sections. Nothing was changed even in your beloved Labour years So clearly plenty politicos, patients, consultants and practitioners more than happy to keep quiet and leave status quo.

 

Ultimately this whole thing about tory,  privatisation and US models is too much boy cries wolf syndrome. Heard it all before for decades. Seen all the same hysterical newspaper headlines, Union pot stirring and political showboating campaigns year in year out and simply not buying it.

 

If it is really their goal to be selling it off to the yanks, they are going a bloody long way round.

But, but, but.........Neoliberalism, Corbyn, Tories, Bojo, MSM, guts spilled out in wheelbarrows..

 

 

[Al Bundy]

11 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Says who?  

 

This same hysterical scream has being heard for decades whenever the tories are in power.

 

But where is the actual evidence that we are going to go even close to anything like America has.

 

The Tories have denied that the NHS is up for sale.... Corbyn's electioneering grandstanding claims that the US trade talks included the NHS turned out to be complete lies....  It is calculated around 40% of government expenditure goes on the department for health and social care with around 160 billion alone going to the NHS in the last budget (which is around a 66 billion increase to the last budget Labour gave the NHS before they left office)......

 

The NHS still employees the equivalent of 1.5 million full-time employees on last stats with a 3.5% increase from the prior year.  Out of those, more than 52% of them are professional qualified clinical staff.  Here's something to put that in perspective the entire global McDonald's Corporation has just 400,000 more employees than the uk NHS.  

 

The NHS spending on the private sector is less than 10% and has remained around that for some years.   For most of us, dentistry, optical and pharmacy has always involved some form of private business. As do most GPs who are more than happy to keep running their very lucrative private practice partnerships.  Same with the majority of the drug companies for whom without them the NHS couldn't function and certainly would not be able to itself take on the vast amounts of money involved in researching and developing new medicines.  Let's not also forget that several large NHS hospital trusts offer to treat private patients and make a very tidy sum out of it every year. Some even have their own entire private ward sections. Nothing was changed even in your beloved Labour years So clearly plenty politicos, patients, consultants and practitioners more than happy to keep quiet and leave status quo.

 

Ultimately this whole thing about tory,  privatisation and US models is too much boy cries wolf syndrome. Heard it all before for decades. Seen all the same hysterical newspaper headlines, Union pot stirring and political showboating campaigns year in year out and simply not buying it.

 

If it is really their goal to be selling it off to the yanks, they are going a bloody long way round.

Well said.

[top4718]

12 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Says who?  

 

This same hysterical scream has being heard for decades whenever the tories are in power.

 

But where is the actual evidence that we are going to go even close to anything like America has.

 

The Tories have denied that the NHS is up for sale.... Corbyn's electioneering grandstanding claims that the US trade talks included the NHS turned out to be complete lies....  It is calculated around 40% of government expenditure goes on the department for health and social care with around 160 billion alone going to the NHS in the last budget (which is around a 66 billion increase to the last budget Labour gave the NHS before they left office)......

 

The NHS still employees the equivalent of 1.5 million full-time employees on last stats with a 3.5% increase from the prior year.  Out of those, more than 52% of them are professional qualified clinical staff.  Here's something to put that in perspective the entire global McDonald's Corporation has just 400,000 more employees than the uk NHS.  

 

The NHS spending on the private sector is less than 10% and has remained around that for some years.   For most of us, dentistry, optical and pharmacy has always involved some form of private business. As do most GPs who are more than happy to keep running their very lucrative private practice partnerships.  Same with the majority of the drug companies for whom without them the NHS couldn't function and certainly would not be able to itself take on the vast amounts of money involved in researching and developing new medicines.  Let's not also forget that several large NHS hospital trusts offer to treat private patients and make a very tidy sum out of it every year. Some even have their own entire private ward sections. Nothing was changed even in your beloved Labour years So clearly plenty politicos, patients, consultants and practitioners more than happy to keep quiet and leave status quo.

 

Ultimately this whole thing about tory,  privatisation and US models is too much boy cries wolf syndrome. Heard it all before for decades. Seen all the same hysterical newspaper headlines, Union pot stirring and political showboating campaigns year in year out and simply not buying it.

 

If it is really their goal to be selling it off to the yanks, they are going a bloody long way round.

I never thought I'd agree with you but this is spot on, there are semi private systems in Europe that are streets ahead of the NHS and these should be looked at and adopted here.

[cuttsie]

I have had exemplary treatment under the NHS , Now got a tin knee , Had Cancer and Eye treatment in my older years .

I am eternally great full To The Hallamshire and Western Park Hospitals.

 

My Dr's surgery how ever is a disgrace . Three to four weeks to get a appointment , no phone answering and so on .

We are lucky to have been born in England although the NHS did not exist before I was 5 years old , don't remember how things were before then .

My Dentist counts my teeth every six months , I Know the script of by heart .

 

[Guest]

13 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Says who?  

 

This same hysterical scream has being heard for decades whenever the tories are in power.

 

But where is the actual evidence that we are going to go even close to anything like America has.

 

The Tories have denied that the NHS is up for sale.... Corbyn's electioneering grandstanding claims that the US trade talks included the NHS turned out to be complete lies....  It is calculated around 40% of government expenditure goes on the department for health and social care with around 160 billion alone going to the NHS in the last budget (which is around a 66 billion increase to the last budget Labour gave the NHS before they left office)......

 

The NHS still employees the equivalent of 1.5 million full-time employees on last stats with a 3.5% increase from the prior year.  Out of those, more than 52% of them are professional qualified clinical staff.  Here's something to put that in perspective the entire global McDonald's Corporation has just 400,000 more employees than the uk NHS.  

 

The NHS spending on the private sector is less than 10% and has remained around that for some years.   For most of us, dentistry, optical and pharmacy has always involved some form of private business. As do most GPs who are more than happy to keep running their very lucrative private practice partnerships.  Same with the majority of the drug companies for whom without them the NHS couldn't function and certainly would not be able to itself take on the vast amounts of money involved in researching and developing new medicines.  Let's not also forget that several large NHS hospital trusts offer to treat private patients and make a very tidy sum out of it every year. Some even have their own entire private ward sections. Nothing was changed even in your beloved Labour years So clearly plenty politicos, patients, consultants and practitioners more than happy to keep quiet and leave status quo.

 

Ultimately this whole thing about tory,  privatisation and US models is too much boy cries wolf syndrome. Heard it all before for decades. Seen all the same hysterical newspaper headlines, Union pot stirring and political showboating campaigns year in year out and simply not buying it.

 

If it is really their goal to be selling it off to the yanks, they are going a bloody long way round.

Never were so many fooled by so few.

 

They don't need to sell it to the yanks   -   their aim is already partially achieved   -   there's more than one way to skin a cat.

A lot of the NHS work already goes to private clinics.  As long as private medical firms get increasing amounts of work that the NHS should be doing,  the privatisation is already under way.

In my last 4 treatments supposedly by the NHS,   3 of them were done privately at Sheffield clinics,  and that's the way they get around the privatisation objections.

The  NHS is paying more.  The private clinics are getting the work and the NHS has less to worry about except paying the privateers bills so they just keep asking for more money.

The NHS is gradually being turned into a "contracting out"  organisation,  in the same way as council services like road works,  are done by private companies instead of council workers.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Organgrinder

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Never were so many fooled by so few.

 

They don't need to sell it to the yanks   -   their aim is already partially achieved   -   there's more than one way to skin a cat.

A lot of the NHS work already goes to private clinics.  As long as private medical firms get increasing amounts of work that the NHS should be doing,  the privatisation is already under way.

In my last 4 treatments supposedly by the NHS,   3 of them were done privately at Sheffield clinics,  and that's the way they get around the privatisation objections.

The  NHS is paying more.  The private clinics are getting the work and the NHS has less to worry about except paying the privateers bills so they just keep asking for more money.

The NHS is gradually being turned into a "contracting out"  organisation,  in the same way as council services like road works,  are done by private companies instead of council workers.

 

Spot on.

[top4718]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Never were so many fooled by so few.

 

They don't need to sell it to the yanks   -   their aim is already partially achieved   -   there's more than one way to skin a cat.

A lot of the NHS work already goes to private clinics.  As long as private medical firms get increasing amounts of work that the NHS should be doing,  the privatisation is already under way.

In my last 4 treatments supposedly by the NHS,   3 of them were done privately at Sheffield clinics,  and that's the way they get around the privatisation objections.

The  NHS is paying more.  The private clinics are getting the work and the NHS has less to worry about except paying the privateers bills so they just keep asking for more money.

The NHS is gradually being turned into a "contracting out"  organisation,  in the same way as council services like road works,  are done by private companies instead of council workers.

 

Did you have to pay for any of those teatments?

[Anna B]

2 minutes ago, top4718 said:

Did you have to pay for any of those teatments?

It's more about the treatment you don't get. 

Waiting lists are so long people die before they reach the top of the list, or pay and go private.

And many treatments are simply not available unless you are prepared to pay.

 

 

 

[top4718]

Just now, Anna B said:

It's more about the treatment you don't get. 

Waiting lists are so long people die before they reach the top of the list, or pay and go private.

And many treatments are simply not available unless you are prepared to pay.

 

 

 

TBH I don't know a single person that has had to pay for treatment and I've got some quite elderly relatives.