Failing Nhs

[ECCOnoob]

6 hours ago, Anna B said:

Exactly. Not rocket science is it?

 

And there's no shortage of clever people queuing up to take up places in medical schools, just not enough places.

 

6 hours ago, harvey19 said:

An easy remedy is to have more training places for doctors, nurses and other skill shortage areas.

No training fees to be paid for people training in skills where the country has a shortage but they must work in this country for a set period after graduating.

But questions have to be raised as to what is this shortage.  Is it really a lack of skilled employees and training places OR are there other factors at play creating this apparent shortage.  In reality, is it less about the numbers of personnel and far more about how they are being utilised, where they are being allocated, the sorts of duties they are doing, whether there is wastage or duplication of work or imbalance.

 

As I have said earlier, the organisation has the equivalent of 1.5 million full time employees and out of that, 780,000 of them are categorised as professionally qualified posts.  That's a hell of a lot of manpower so is it unreasonable to question what exactly they are all doing?

 

I really don't think it is as simple as just screaming "recruit more"  "train more" "pay more"

 

Just like the thorny subject of NHS finances, there never ever seems to be enough.  Year in, year out we always seem to have some 'service on the brink' and 'staff crisis' and 'pay strike' and 'departments overworked'  Seems to have been that way since year dot.   

 

So what if they did recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow. How long will it be before they are screaming more and more all over again?

 

Something is not adding up here.  

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by ECCOnoob

[harvey19]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

But questions have to be raised as to what is this shortage.  Is it really a lack of skilled employees and training places OR are there other factors at play creating this apparent shortage.  In reality, is it less about the numbers of personnel and far more about how they are being utilised, where they are being allocated, the sorts of duties they are doing, whether there is wastage or duplication of work or imbalance.

 

As I have said earlier, the organisation has the equivalent of 1.5 million full time employees and out of that, 780,000 of them are categorised as professionally qualified posts.  That's a hell of a lot of manpower so is it unreasonable to question what exactly they are all doing?

 

I really don't think it is as simple as just screaming "recruit more"  "train more" "pay more"

 

Just like the thorny subject of NHS finances, there never ever seems to be enough.  Year in, year out we always seem to have some 'service on the brink' and 'staff crisis' and 'pay strike' and 'departments overworked'  Seems to have been that way since year dot.   

 

So what if they did recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow. How long will it be before they are screaming more and more all over again?

 

Something is not adding up here.  

 

Forward planning has to be looked at closely going back decades.

[Mister Gee]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

But questions have to be raised as to what is this shortage.  Is it really a lack of skilled employees and training places OR are there other factors at play creating this apparent shortage.  In reality, is it less about the numbers of personnel and far more about how they are being utilised, where they are being allocated, the sorts of duties they are doing, whether there is wastage or duplication of work or imbalance.

 

As I have said earlier, the organisation has the equivalent of 1.5 million full time employees and out of that, 780,000 of them are categorised as professionally qualified posts.  That's a hell of a lot of manpower so is it unreasonable to question what exactly they are all doing?

 

I really don't think it is as simple as just screaming "recruit more"  "train more" "pay more"

 

Just like the thorny subject of NHS finances, there never ever seems to be enough.  Year in, year out we always seem to have some 'service on the brink' and 'staff crisis' and 'pay strike' and 'departments overworked'  Seems to have been that way since year dot.   

 

So what if they did recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow. How long will it be before they are screaming more and more all over again?

 

Something is not adding up here.  

 

The Tories have got 354 MPs in the House of Commons, I’ve never seen you question what exactly they are all doing?

[ECCOnoob]

22 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

The Tories have got 354 MPs in the House of Commons, I’ve never seen you question what exactly they are all doing?

Firstly, nobody screaming about a shortage of MP's so it's not even the same issue.   

 

Secondly, it is pretty well documented what all 650 MPs do given, by their very nature, they are continually subject to public scrutiny, every debate and committee and motion they put forward is recorded on public record and all their associations, interests and expenditure is all disclosible. Very much unlike the 71m plus NHS expenditure spaft away on staffing cost alone.

 

Thirdly, the number of Tory MP's amounts to 0.02% of the NHS workforce so not even in the same galaxy.

 

Now. Do you actually have any contribution to this debate or was it just another pathetic excuse for some tory bashing.

Edited May 26, 2023 by ECCOnoob

[Mister Gee]

4 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Firstly, nobody screaming about a shortage of MP's so it's not even the same issue.   

 

Secondly, it is pretty well documented what all 650 MPs do given, by their very nature, they are continually subject to public scrutiny, every debate and committee and motion they put forward is recorded on public record and all their associations, interests and expenditure is all disclosible. Very much unlike the 71m plus NHS expenditure spaft away on staffing cost alone.

 

Thirdly, the number of Tory MP's amounts to 0.02% of the NHS workforce so not even in the same galaxy.

 

Now. Do you actually have any contribution to this debate or was it just another pathetic excuse for some tory bashing.

A bit like you NHS bashing then?

[Mister Gee]

11 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Firstly, nobody screaming about a shortage of MP's so it's not even the same issue.   

 

Secondly, it is pretty well documented what all 650 MPs do given, by their very nature, they are continually subject to public scrutiny, every debate and committee and motion they put forward is recorded on public record and all their associations, interests and expenditure is all disclosible. Very much unlike the 71m plus NHS expenditure spaft away on staffing cost alone.

 

Thirdly, the number of Tory MP's amounts to 0.02% of the NHS workforce so not even in the same galaxy.

 

Now. Do you actually have any contribution to this debate or was it just another pathetic excuse for some tory bashing.

Now you’re talking a bit of sense.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

But questions have to be raised as to what is this shortage.  Is it really a lack of skilled employees and training places OR are there other factors at play creating this apparent shortage.  In reality, is it less about the numbers of personnel and far more about how they are being utilised, where they are being allocated, the sorts of duties they are doing, whether there is wastage or duplication of work or imbalance.

 

As I have said earlier, the organisation has the equivalent of 1.5 million full time employees and out of that, 780,000 of them are categorised as professionally qualified posts.  That's a hell of a lot of manpower so is it unreasonable to question what exactly they are all doing?

 

I really don't think it is as simple as just screaming "recruit more"  "train more" "pay more"

 

Just like the thorny subject of NHS finances, there never ever seems to be enough.  Year in, year out we always seem to have some 'service on the brink' and 'staff crisis' and 'pay strike' and 'departments overworked'  Seems to have been that way since year dot.   

 

So what if they did recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow. How long will it be before they are screaming more and more all over again?

 

Something is not adding up here.  

 

Ever since Cameron  got rid of a lot of NHS staff and closed wards down in his austerity drive,  The NHS HAS been overworked.

To make matters worse,  they have carried on in the same vein,  not filling all vacancies.        THAT'S THE SERVICE ON THE BRINK and STAFF CRISIS  caused purposely by Tory government.

Where does the year in, year out PAY STRIKE come from ????   THE PAY STRIKES CAUSED BY THE LATEST PAY DISPUTE ARE THE FIRST IN 77 YEARS    I wouldn't call them year in year out strikes

 

They won't recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow or anytime at all so that's a very pointless and stupid question to ask.

What doesn't add up is your post blaming it on the staff.  and,     as you don't live in the UK and you don't pay for it,  what the hell's it got to do with you anyway.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Organgrinder

[hackey lad]

35 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Firstly, nobody screaming about a shortage of MP's so it's not even the same issue.   

 

Secondly, it is pretty well documented what all 650 MPs do given, by their very nature, they are continually subject to public scrutiny, every debate and committee and motion they put forward is recorded on public record and all their associations, interests and expenditure is all disclosible. Very much unlike the 71m plus NHS expenditure spaft away on staffing cost alone.

 

Thirdly, the number of Tory MP's amounts to 0.02% of the NHS workforce so not even in the same galaxy.

 

Now. Do you actually have any contribution to this debate or was it just another pathetic excuse for some tory bashing.

Exactly 

13 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Ever since Cameron  got rid of a lot of NHS staff and closed wards down in his austerity drive,  The NHS HAS been overworked.

To make matters worse,  they have carried on in the same vein,  not filling all vacancies.        THAT'S THE SERVICE ON THE BRINK and STAFF CRISIS  caused purposely by Tory government.

Where does the year in, year out PAY STRIKE come from ????   THE PAY STRIKES CAUSED BY THE LATEST PAY DISPUTE ARE THE FIRST IN 77 YEARS    I wouldn't call them year in year out strikes

 

They won't recruit 10,000 brand new doctors tomorrow or anytime at all so that's a very pointless and stupid question to ask.

What doesn't add up is your post blaming it on the staff.  and,     as you don't live in the UK and you don't pay for it,  what the hell's it got to do with you anyway.

 

Poor contribution 

[top4718]

31 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

A bit like you NHS bashing then?

I'll happily bash the NHS its an appaling service and possibly the worst in Europe.

[Mister Gee]

Just now, top4718 said:

I'll happily bash the NHS its an appaling service and possibly the worst in Europe.

There’s a pattern developing here!