Anna B Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Organgrinder said: It's known as first past the post and the only way to describe it quickly ( I don't have a lot of time ) is that votes are lumped together. We need PR which is proportional representation where seats are allotted according to how many actual votes a candidate gets. A bit complicated but the end result is with our system a party could get elected with a massive majority when they have only a tiny majority of votes. This makes it much harder for independent candidates to ever get elected and means one of the main parties almost always wins. You can get governments and councils elected even when the majority have not voted for them. Exactly. And please don't anyone say that we've already had a vote on PR (Proportional Representation,) back in the day when Nick Clegg lost his seat... we didn't. By Tory sleight of hand, That vote was for AV (Alternative Vote,) which most people didn't understand. And while we're at it, the Last election was all about 'getting Brexit done.' and little else. The Tories are very good at these sort of sleight of hand gambits. Beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Manager Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Don't trust Cons or Labour both as bad as each other, unfortunately Labour will win as not a lot else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Anna B said: Exactly. And please don't anyone say that we've already had a vote on PR (Proportional Representation,) back in the day when Nick Clegg lost his seat... we didn't. By Tory sleight of hand, That vote was for AV (Alternative Vote,) which most people didn't understand. Most people wont understand PR either, because most people are thick and/or are scared of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said: Most people wont understand PR either, because most people are thick and/or are scared of change. Insulting 'most people' won't gain you many friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, RollingJ said: Insulting 'most people' won't gain you many friends. I am not too bothered about that 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said: I am not too bothered about that 😂 Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Anna B said: Exactly. And please don't anyone say that we've already had a vote on PR (Proportional Representation,) back in the day when Nick Clegg lost his seat... we didn't. By Tory sleight of hand, That vote was for AV (Alternative Vote,) which most people didn't understand. And while we're at it, the Last election was all about 'getting Brexit done.' and little else. The Tories are very good at these sort of sleight of hand gambits. Beware. Quite correct, Both the Tories and Labour have a vested in interest in keeping our FPTP system as it is because it's almost guaranteed that one or the other take power. The party whip system makes matters even worse for us because the MP's are voting according to what the party tells them instead of representing the people who elected them. Neither of them want to see a lot of independent MP's in the commons because it weakens their stranglehold on power and gives the people more say. The biggest lie of all is that we are living in a democracy. Edited April 15, 2023 by Organgrinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: Quite correct, Both the Tories and Labour have a vested in interest in keeping our FPTP system as it is because it's almost guaranteed that one or the other take power. The party whip system makes matters even worse for us because the MP's are voting according to what the party tells them instead of representing the people who elected them. Neither of them want to see a lot of independent MP's in the commons because it weakens their stranglehold on power and gives the people more say. The biggest lie of all is that we are living in a democracy. If changes to the system had been made UKIP would have won a lot of seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, harvey19 said: If changes to the system had been made UKIP would have won a lot of seats The opposition party always want to change the system until they get into power then they do nothing Its like the House of Lords....they always say that want it abolished until they realise that its most MPs retirement plan Im sure that they are all well intentioned and noble when they first get into politics but theyre soon corrupted by the establishment and of course the wages/expenses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRESLEY Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said: I am not too bothered about that 😂 Yes because you never miss what you never had, Billy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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