When Did The City Centre Lose Its Soul?

[harvey19]

Just now, HeHasRisen said:

And again, you cant force people to join the Army even if that path was an option, we dont have compulsory conscription.

Agreed but it was a path to change lives which is only available in very limited numbers now.

[Mister M]

18 hours ago, Mossway said:

Do we need a sort of upmarket Workhouse for these people ?
I don't like going into the City Centre and see loads of Spice Heads, Druggies and Beggars. 
I'm sympathetic to an extent but I think they need some kind of forced rehab instead of lying around on gear outside the Cathedral etc. 

All city centres are the same for this nowadays. As I've said before, Manchester and Leeds city centres are much worse than Sheffield centre for attracting the flotsam and jetsam. 

Forced rehab won't work, as they've got to want to change. 

 

[crookesey]

It never really had a Soul IMHO, it stretched from Ladies Bridge to Moorfoot with little width interest,  it never had and still doesn’t have any green areas, this could and should be addressed.

[Anna B]

21 hours ago, harvey19 said:

A type of workhouse system was the phrase I used.

A place where people can improve their lives.

What is your proposal ?

Mental Health is a huge issue these days, and much of it can't be fixed. We do not have the knowledge, the skills or the resources to fix the brain. The idea that these people can be 're-educated' to fix them is false. All we can do in many cases is find ways to manage it, and that no longer happens. It really is a Cinderella part of the NHS.  

 

'Remploy' for instance was a way to keep these people busy and happy in a sheltered environment where they could cope, earning a small wage, but that was phased out, and nothing put in its place. What happened to these people? Where are the day centres? The safe places for them to go? They are now subjected to the same draconian measures and sanctions of the Universal Credit system which they find impossible to navigate. 

 

Mental illness is also often a 'hidden' disability that goes undiagnosed and untreated, especially in a world where the NHS is over run with waiting lists and other problems. It's complex, often very difficult and time consuming to diagnose. It requires very specialist practitioners who are in short supply.

The suicide rates have gone up and up. The idea that sick people who should be in hospital should be in a workhouse environment is sad, yet so many people seem to want to see these people 'punished.' A very Victorian attitude to say the least. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Anna B

[harvey19]

52 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Mental Health is a huge issue these days, and much of it can't be fixed. We do not have the knowledge, the skills or the resources to fix the brain. The idea that these people can be 're-educated' to fix them is false. All we can do in many cases is find ways to manage it, and that no longer happens. It really is a Cinderella part of the NHS.  

 

'Remploy' for instance was a way to keep these people busy and happy in a sheltered environment where they could cope, earning a small wage, but that was phased out, and nothing put in its place. What happened to these people? Where are the day centres? The safe places for them to go? They are now subjected to the same draconian measures and sanctions of the Universal Credit system which they find impossible to navigate. 

 

Mental illness is also often a 'hidden' disability that goes undiagnosed and untreated, especially in a world where the NHS is over run with waiting lists and other problems. It's complex, often very difficult and time consuming to diagnose. It requires very specialist practitioners who are in short supply.

The suicide rates have gone up and up. The idea that sick people who should be in hospital should be in a workhouse environment is sad, yet so many people seem to want to see these people 'punished.' A very Victorian attitude to say the least. 

 

 

 

 

 

Not for punishment but a place where behaviour could be changed, skills learned and substance abused addressed and the inadequate supported.

I have seen remarkable work done by Sheffield mental health department.

Recently I have been reading about the results of Shell Shock which is now referred to as PTSD and how it affected soldiers and civilians after WW1.

It was not understand then and many different types of treatment tried.

[HeHasRisen]

3 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Not for punishment but a place where behaviour could be changed, skills learned and substance abused addressed and the inadequate supported.

 

The bit in bold already exists in the form of education establishments people attend of their own free will

The bit underlined already exist in the form of substance misuse services, which people attend of their own free will unless mandated by a court (after an offence)

The bit underlined in bold already exists in the form of social housing and/or benefits.

 

What you are proposing is a place where people are dragged, essentially kicking and screaming, to be deprogrammed. Is this A Clockwork Orange?

 

[harvey19]

3 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

The bit in bold already exists in the form of education establishments people attend of their own free will

The bit underlined already exist in the form of substance misuse services, which people attend of their own free will unless mandated by a court (after an offence)

The bit underlined in bold already exists in the form of social housing and/or benefits.

 

What you are proposing is a place where people are dragged, essentially kicking and screaming, to be deprogrammed. Is this A Clockwork Orange?

 

I am trying to find a solution to help people.

You seem to be advocating leaving them to decline.

You stated prison was available but do you think this helps people return to a changed life after release ?

I ask again what is your solution ?

Edited April 20, 2023 by harvey19

[HeHasRisen]

Just now, harvey19 said:

I am trying to find a solution to help people.

You seem to be advocating leaving them to decline.

I ask again what is your solution ?

I already answered this, just scroll back for the answer. 

 

No, I am advocating you cant drag people kicking and screaming away to some kind of deprogramming centre, its like something out of a dystopian movie.

[harvey19]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

I already answered this, just scroll back for the answer. 

 

No, I am advocating you cant drag people kicking and screaming away to some kind of deprogramming centre, its like something out of a dystopian movie.

I edited my above post to include your mention of prison.

Do you think this prepares people for an improved and changed lifestyle on release.

I am not advocating dragging people kicking and screaming away but have somewhere where improvements can be made.

[HeHasRisen]

1 minute ago, harvey19 said:

I edited my above post to include your mention of prison.

Do you think this prepares people for an improved and changed lifestyle on release.

I am not advocating dragging people kicking and screaming away but have somewhere where improvements can be made.

Which they would want to attend of their own free will. And that is the issue. There are NUMEROUS services already in Sheffield to help those on the streets, with issues, and they dont want to engage for whatever reasons.

 

As for prison, obviously that only applies if they are convicted of something.

Edited April 20, 2023 by HeHasRisen