Easter Sermons.

[cressida]

2 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

I can imagine the conversation they had after Jesus was crucified 

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"S**t.....we said he was the Messiah, The Son of God....the King of the Jews and they just nailed him to a cross like a man and walked off"

 

"I know lets just say that he has risen from the dead....job done"

They chose a robber and a murderer to save over a good man,  it was perverse,  the worrying thing is that some people are still perverse.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Padders said:

The Archbishop of Canterbury told the faithful this Easter Sunday that unless we abandon our greed, we will be responsible for the death of our planet..

Hmmm,

I'm not sure that I can take a lecture on greed from a man who heads one of the Western World's richest institutions.

As we huddle under a patio heater to stay warm while having a fag in the rain, his Bishops are living in palatial splendour with banqueting halls, wondering where to invest the next billion.

And are the churches open at night as shelter for the homeless and the weak? No, they are locked lest someone should decide to redress the inequalities of Western society by half-inching a candelabra and fencing it to to buy Easter Eggs.

Then we must ask how much old Justin really understands about the implications and causes of global warming, he thinks that taking a holiday in Florida and driving a Range Rover causes flooding, but then he also believes it's possible for a man to walk on water, and feed a crowd of 5,000 with nothing more than a can of sardines......

 

In Britain, this summer is forecast to be baking hot by the BBC's hysterical news channel, it won't be, it will be wet and soggy, much like all the Summers of my youth.

And the only reason we will get floods is because we've all block paved our drives and built houses on the flood plains, so the water has nowhere to go apart from Mrs Miggins front room..

In the light of all this, I would like Justin Welby to come out from behind his eyebrows and tell us how many people have been killed by greed-induced global warming, because even the most swivel eyed lunatic would be hard pressed to claim that many..

Meanwhile, I reckon the number of people killed over the years by religious wars is about 809 million, I'll tell you this Justin, Many, many more people have died in the name of God than were killed in the name of Hitler...

 

Between about 1100 and 1270 the crusades killed 1-5 million. way more than has been killed by patio heaters and Range Rovers combined..Then there was the 30years war, which reduced Europe's population by 7-5 million. And the slaughter is still going on today in Ukraine and Russia and Palestine and Israel.

Benazir Bhutto was killed by a religious nut, not a homeless  Polar Bear.

If, however, old Justin wants to bring peace and stability to the World, if he really believes Britain can be a force for good and a shining beacon in troubled times, then I urge him to close the Church of England....

If we can demonstrate that we can survive without a Church-and note that on Good Friday 750,000 more people shopped online than went to church, you could argue we already do..

Then, who knows, maybe the mad Mullahs and left footers might follow suit.

I genuinely believe we are born with a moral compass and don't need it reset every Sunday morning  by some weird beard communist in a dress..

Morally, the World would be no worse if religion were to be abolished.. Practically, it would be much, much better. And so, given the choice of what we should give up, God or the Patio Heater, the choice is simple................

 

There's a lot of truth and common sense in there Padders and it goes down all the better for your humorous slant on it.

 

 

[carosio]

1 hour ago, cressida said:

They chose a robber and a murderer to save over a good man,  it was perverse,  the worrying thing is that some people are still perverse.

Jesus of Nazareth was particularly despised by the priesthood because (amongst other things) he claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and was a deity therefore perceived to be a threat.

 

In some parts of the world, people are still burnt/hacked to death because they identify as a Christian.

Edited April 10, 2023 by carosio

[cressida]

1 hour ago, carosio said:

Jesus of Nazareth was particularly despised by the priesthood because (amongst other things) he claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and was a deity therefore perceived to be a threat.

 

In some parts of the world, people are still burnt/hacked to death because they identify as a Christian.

Yes,  man's inhumanity,  sometimes it seems like any excuse and peaceful people cannot reason with those bent on being destructive.

[hauxwell]

A lady told me a few years ago after Saddam Hussein was defeated she and her family had to flee from Iraq leaving their home and cars behind.  

They were all Christian’s and Saddam Hussein allowed them to practice their religion.   The interim government who took over from Saddam did not like Christian’s and they were being persecuted because of their religion. 

 

The lady said she detested George Bush.

 

 

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, hauxwell said:

A lady told me a few years ago after Saddam Hussein was defeated she and her family had to flee from Iraq leaving their home and cars behind.  

They were all Christian’s and Saddam Hussein allowed them to practice their religion.   The interim government who took over from Saddam did not like Christian’s and they were being persecuted because of their religion. 

 

The lady said she detested George Bush.

 

 

Better the devil you know comes to mind .

[Anna B]

On 09/04/2023 at 18:58, Padders said:

The Archbishop of Canterbury told the faithful this Easter Sunday that unless we abandon our greed, we will be responsible for the death of our planet..

Hmmm,

I'm not sure that I can take a lecture on greed from a man who heads one of the Western World's richest institutions.

As we huddle under a patio heater to stay warm while having a fag in the rain, his Bishops are living in palatial splendour with banqueting halls, wondering where to invest the next billion.

And are the churches open at night as shelter for the homeless and the weak? No, they are locked lest someone should decide to redress the inequalities of Western society by half-inching a candelabra and fencing it to to buy Easter Eggs.

Then we must ask how much old Justin really understands about the implications and causes of global warming, he thinks that taking a holiday in Florida and driving a Range Rover causes flooding, but then he also believes it's possible for a man to walk on water, and feed a crowd of 5,000 with nothing more than a can of sardines......

 

In Britain, this summer is forecast to be baking hot by the BBC's hysterical news channel, it won't be, it will be wet and soggy, much like all the Summers of my youth.

And the only reason we will get floods is because we've all block paved our drives and built houses on the flood plains, so the water has nowhere to go apart from Mrs Miggins front room..

In the light of all this, I would like Justin Welby to come out from behind his eyebrows and tell us how many people have been killed by greed-induced global warming, because even the most swivel eyed lunatic would be hard pressed to claim that many..

Meanwhile, I reckon the number of people killed over the years by religious wars is about 809 million, I'll tell you this Justin, Many, many more people have died in the name of God than were killed in the name of Hitler...

 

Between about 1100 and 1270 the crusades killed 1-5 million. way more than has been killed by patio heaters and Range Rovers combined..Then there was the 30years war, which reduced Europe's population by 7-5 million. And the slaughter is still going on today in Ukraine and Russia and Palestine and Israel.

Benazir Bhutto was killed by a religious nut, not a homeless  Polar Bear.

If, however, old Justin wants to bring peace and stability to the World, if he really believes Britain can be a force for good and a shining beacon in troubled times, then I urge him to close the Church of England....

If we can demonstrate that we can survive without a Church-and note that on Good Friday 750,000 more people shopped online than went to church, you could argue we already do..

Then, who knows, maybe the mad Mullahs and left footers might follow suit.

I genuinely believe we are born with a moral compass and don't need it reset every Sunday morning  by some weird beard communist in a dress..

Morally, the World would be no worse if religion were to be abolished.. Practically, it would be much, much better. And so, given the choice of what we should give up, God or the Patio Heater, the choice is simple................

 

Trouble is Padders, if the Church of England shuts up shop, religion won't go away; Islam or some other religion will take over instead, probably far less benign than ours, thanks to the zealots.

 

We C of E people are pretty lazy about our religion. We're more or less born into it, and don't have to make much effort. Many of those professing to be C of E probably haven't been to a church in years, yet were often subject to Bible stories, hymns and prayers at school so have a basic knowledge/understanding of Christianity. That is diminishing now as new generations come through. I was alarmed to discover that some teenage relatives had no knowledge of what Easter was about or why it was celebrated. Be careful what you wish for. 

 

Britain is indeed becoming more secular, whilst other religions are becoming more dominant and are often wrapped up in a particular way of life, (as ours used to be.) which may prevail and enter the mainstream. I have no wish to have to adopt this lifestyle, and become part of a persecuted minority fringe. 

[carosio]

10 hours ago, Anna B said:

Trouble is Padders, if the Church of England shuts up shop, religion won't go away; Islam or some other religion will take over instead, probably far less benign than ours, thanks to the zealots.

 

We C of E people are pretty lazy about our religion. We're more or less born into it, and don't have to make much effort. Many of those professing to be C of E probably haven't been to a church in years, yet were often subject to Bible stories, hymns and prayers at school so have a basic knowledge/understanding of Christianity. That is diminishing now as new generations come through. I was alarmed to discover that some teenage relatives had no knowledge of what Easter was about or why it was celebrated. Be careful what you wish for. 

 

Britain is indeed becoming more secular, whilst other religions are becoming more dominant and are often wrapped up in a particular way of life, (as ours used to be.) which may prevail and enter the mainstream. I have no wish to have to adopt this lifestyle, and become part of a persecuted minority fringe. 

I agree.  When a vacuum is formed, others will fill the void. The CofE is a rather benign branch of Christianity, us older ones have been versed in its culture which for the large part was ok, and even if we rejected the miraculous element of Biblical scripture and didn't attend church etc, we went along with life as "cultural" Christians.

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, carosio said:

I agree.  When a vacuum is formed, others will fill the void. The CofE is a rather benign branch of Christianity, us older ones have been versed in its culture which for the large part was ok, and even if we rejected the miraculous element of Biblical scripture and didn't attend church etc, we went along with life as "cultural" Christians.

'Cultural Christians.' I like that. A very good way of putting it. 

Personally, I think that should be encouraged in a Christian country (with a church of England,) as it used to be.

That's not taking anything away from other religions. It's not confrontational, simply part of our way of life.

Edited April 11, 2023 by Anna B

[carosio]

24 minutes ago, Anna B said:

'Cultural Christians.' I like that. A very good way of putting it. 

 

An interesting (for some!) article on the subject.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christians