Fargate To Be Ripped Up

[hackey lad]

6 hours ago, ab6262 said:

pedestrianisation has killed the centre, stopping traffic , dead ends and one ways also kills a city, keeping a city clean would help flower and garden areas as we had back in the 60s and 70s instead of the bland peace gardens now, get rid of the drunks and homeless move them out, get rid of cobbles to walk on, get rid of the no signage on pavement rules and need to jump through so many hoops for outside seating, streetcleaners....proper ones, litter pickers, police on the beat, make it a nice place to be it hasnt been for years, i sold a cafe bar in a premier position just at the right time leopold st, how many more empty businesses do SCC need to see before they change tack, go look at manchester .......its thriving  they got rid or at least suspended the caz , you can get by car to almost everywhere and by a decent clean and moderen tram service unlike Sheffield's, any more??

grants are all well and good but watch when they run out and its usually office space which doesnt attract visitors.

 

Agree with you about the Peace Gardens , rip out lawns and beautiful colourful flower borders and replace with concrete , and now years later going back to planting .

[ECCOnoob]

49 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

By the people that used to come into my bar they worked in the centre they didnt come in for leisure  purposes, good parking ??? are you kidding ? tucked away and expensive, on street parking almost non existent.

the council go from one hairbrained scheme to another not once getting grass roots or business input.

i tell you what take a poll on SF they seem a good mix of Sheffield people and see how many are in support of what scc do and if they love the city centre ? easy to set a poll up?? 

What the hell are you talking about. You need to get out and about more.

 

There are several large multi stories directly off main arterial roads in the city.  There is one just off Park Square roundabout, another just off Derek Dooley Way, one purpose built directly next to the rail station, two at either end of Charter Row, two at either Eyre Street, two at either end of Arundel Gate which, before anyone argues, therefore covers off and provides provision for whichever direction someone is approaching it  without them being affected by the bus gate....

 

That's before we get into the other multi stories such as just off Rockingham Street or the two located on Campo Lane. There is on street meter or permit disabled parking along Union Street, Campo Lane, Bank Street, Milton Street, Sydney Street, Paternoster Row....  Council surface car parks on Devonshire Street, Fitzwilliam Street, Carver Lane, Workhouse Lane, Silver Street......  All of which has dedicated signs telling you where they and in some cases even whether they have spaces or not. .......What exactly do you think is so lacking?

 

As for parking charges, it's another tired  arguement. They've been in existence for more than half a century. A city centre is not just some shopping mall. People work and study and live here. Therefore parking has to have controls. As others have pointed out on this forum many times before, our parking charges are often cheaper than many other big cities. In some places outside of the obvious peak hours, parking can be as little as 50p or a pound an hour.

 

Go try parking in Central Leeds for a few hours on a Saturday afternoon or down Deansgate in Manchester and then you would REALLY see  what expensive parking is.

[ECCOnoob]

23 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Agree with you about the Peace Gardens , rip out lawns and beautiful colourful flower borders and replace with concrete , and now years later going back to planting .

But they weren't lawns and beautiful flowers all the time were they.  They were very often patches of dead and decaying grass, overgrown bushes and ramshackle planting which was dark and frequented by delinquents, drunks and general layabouts.

 

Its replacement may well be a little sterile, but it's open , bright and modern and in keeping with the new development that came with it.  When the weather is right, I found its being far more utilised than when it was the old gardens and hideous egg box building

[RollingJ]

4 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

But they weren't lawns and beautiful flowers all the time were they.  They were very often patches of dead and decaying grass, overgrown bushes and ramshackle planting which was dark and frequented by delinquents, drunks and general layabouts.

 

Its replacement may well be a little sterile, but it's open , bright and modern and in keeping with the new development that came with it.  When the weather is right, I found its being far more utilised than when it was the old gardens and hideous egg box building

Now that should have earned the architect and whoever sanctioned it the death penalty, but it has little to do with Fargate, as such.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Agree with you about the Peace Gardens , rip out lawns and beautiful colourful flower borders and replace with concrete , and now years later going back to planting .

The Peace Gardens by the late 80s and early 90s was not the oasis of well-maintained lawns and beautifully cultivated borders that you're conjuring up.  It was relatively neglected, presumably by necessity due to lack of the funding that had previously maintained those lovely flowers, and a home for a previous generation of loiterers and their beer cans that posters are complaining about here and elsewhere.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Guest

[ab6262]

3 hours ago, Hecate said:

The Peace Gardens by the late 80s and early 90s was not the oasis of well-maintained lawns and beautifully cultivated borders that you're conjuring up.  It was relatively neglected, presumably by necessity due to lack of the funding that had previously maintained those lovely flowers, and a home for a previous generation of loiterers and their beer cans that posters are complaining about here and elsewhere.

the reason why there were lack of funds was the councils at the time using money on white elephants, student games, rubbish trams, asylum seekers and police being soft on the tramps, winos and other detritus.

it was a great place to shop in fargate and the moor, lovely gardens and fountains now all gone concrete jungle springs to mind.

15 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

But they weren't lawns and beautiful flowers all the time were they.  They were very often patches of dead and decaying grass, overgrown bushes and ramshackle planting which was dark and frequented by delinquents, drunks and general layabouts.

 

Its replacement may well be a little sterile, but it's open , bright and modern and in keeping with the new development that came with it.  When the weather is right, I found its being far more utilised than when it was the old gardens and hideous egg box building

see above

16 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

What the hell are you talking about. You need to get out and about more.

 

There are several large multi stories directly off main arterial roads in the city.  There is one just off Park Square roundabout, another just off Derek Dooley Way, one purpose built directly next to the rail station, two at either end of Charter Row, two at either Eyre Street, two at either end of Arundel Gate which, before anyone argues, therefore covers off and provides provision for whichever direction someone is approaching it  without them being affected by the bus gate....

 

That's before we get into the other multi stories such as just off Rockingham Street or the two located on Campo Lane. There is on street meter or permit disabled parking along Union Street, Campo Lane, Bank Street, Milton Street, Sydney Street, Paternoster Row....  Council surface car parks on Devonshire Street, Fitzwilliam Street, Carver Lane, Workhouse Lane, Silver Street......  All of which has dedicated signs telling you where they and in some cases even whether they have spaces or not. .......What exactly do you think is so lacking?

 

As for parking charges, it's another tired  arguement. They've been in existence for more than half a century. A city centre is not just some shopping mall. People work and study and live here. Therefore parking has to have controls. As others have pointed out on this forum many times before, our parking charges are often cheaper than many other big cities. In some places outside of the obvious peak hours, parking can be as little as 50p or a pound an hour.

 

Go try parking in Central Leeds for a few hours on a Saturday afternoon or down Deansgate in Manchester and then you would REALLY see  what expensive parking is.

like i said nowhere near the centre derek dooley way is almost meadowhall, rail station is in the caz zone, park square is awkward to disabled , re price i have no problem with charging in fact its probably too cheap.

hardly any meters for a quick visit say 10 mins to run in and get something.

[hackey lad]

2 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

the reason why there were lack of funds was the councils at the time using money on white elephants, student games, rubbish trams, asylum seekers and police being soft on the tramps, winos and other detritus.

it was a great place to shop in fargate and the moor, lovely gardens and fountains now all gone concrete jungle springs to mind.

see above

Agreed . And now they are going back to greenery after getting rid of it and chopping down hundreds of trees . 

[Baron99]

Why do I keep getting that song in my head by 'Orange Juice', every time I come to this thread? 

 

'Oh, rip it up and start again, rip it up and start again.' 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

the reason why there were lack of funds was the councils at the time using money on white elephants, student games, rubbish trams, asylum seekers and police being soft on the tramps, winos and other detritus.

it was a great place to shop in fargate and the moor, lovely gardens and fountains now all gone concrete jungle springs to mind.

The reason for the lack of funding isn't the issue.  The point is that the Peace Gardens had been in terminal decline for many years, long before they were renovated.  Even when the greenery still looked cared for it had been a meeting place for tramps and other loiterers that weren't always shooed away.

 

As for the Goodwin fountain, that had been in a right old state for even longer!  I just read an article that quoted a piece from 1980 that said that the the fountain was 'shaming the city' because it was in such a state of disrepair. 

 

Fargate was a great place to shop but the nature of shopping has changed and Fargate has to adapt accordingly.  Rose-tinted recollections of Sheffield from 1978 are not in the slightest bit relevant to today, outside the Sheffield History and Expats section of the forum.

[ab6262]

3 minutes ago, Hecate said:

The reason for the lack of funding isn't the issue.  The point is that the Peace Gardens had been in terminal decline for many years, long before they were renovated.  Even when the greenery still looked cared for it had been a meeting place for tramps and other loiterers that weren't always shooed away.

 

As for the Goodwin fountain, that had been in a right old state for even longer!  I just read an article that quoted a piece from 1980 that said that the the fountain was 'shaming the city' because it was in such a state of disrepair. 

 

Fargate was a great place to shop but the nature of shopping has changed and Fargate has to adapt accordingly.  Rose-tinted recollections of Sheffield from 1978 are not in the slightest bit relevant to today, outside the Sheffield History and Expats section of the forum.

your opinion but in mine thats BS!