Councils. Is It The Same In Sheffield - Everywhere?

[Bargepole23]

20 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Is your local council boss earning up to £600k? 
A list shows some 721 council officials are paid more than £150,000, almost as much as the £164,951 Rishi Sunak earns as Prime Minister

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/19/3000-town-hall-bosses-paid-six-figure-salaries/

Plenty of people are paid six figure salaries for managing organisations, services and budgets far smaller than councils. 

 

What would be an appropriate salary for a CEO of a city council?

[sheffbag]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

Plenty of people are paid six figure salaries for managing organisations, services and budgets far smaller than councils. 

 

What would be an appropriate salary for a CEO of a city council?

Certainly less than the guy who runs the country.

Private sector salaries cannot be compared to public sector ones but for the CEO of Rotherham to be on over £200K is ridiculous.  £1M of Rotherhams budget is paid to 8 people. 

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, sheffbag said:

Certainly less than the guy who runs the country.

Private sector salaries cannot be compared to public sector ones but for the CEO of Rotherham to be on over £200K is ridiculous.  £1M of Rotherhams budget is paid to 8 people. 

Why can't public sector salaries be compared to private? Is the job any different? Do public sector workers go to cheaper shops than the rest of us? Or is it because they are public 'servants' and should be paid less for the privilege of serving a population, most of which wouldn't know what hit them if faced with such a job.

 

Rotherham Council budget is 260 million to provide a very wide spectrum of services, a huge sum for most private organisations with much narower remits, with CEOs earning well into 6 figures.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Bargepole23

[sheffbag]

2 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Why can't public sector salaries be compared to private? Is the job any different? Do public sector workers go to cheaper ships than the rest of us? Or is it because they are public 'servants' and should be paid less for the privilege of serving a population, most of which wouldn't know what hit them if faced with such a job.

Because private companies operate mainly for profit and so can attract people by using those profits to pay traditionally higher wages.

Public companies such as local authorities use other benefits ilke better pensions, more holidays (i.e SYMCA/PTE staff could get up 58 days holiday a year if they played it right), better sick pay (6 months full, 6 months half) than private sector offers.

 

Im saying that a person in a public office as a CEO of a council using your example should not be earning more than the person in a public office running the country. 

CEO of SCC gets 50% more than the Prime Minister. Who has the more important and wide reaching job?

[Anna B]

13 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Because private companies operate mainly for profit and so can attract people by using those profits to pay traditionally higher wages.

Public companies such as local authorities use other benefits ilke better pensions, more holidays (i.e SYMCA/PTE staff could get up 58 days holiday a year if they played it right), better sick pay (6 months full, 6 months half) than private sector offers.

 

Im saying that a person in a public office as a CEO of a council using your example should not be earning more than the person in a public office running the country. 

CEO of SCC gets 50% more than the Prime Minister. Who has the more important and wide reaching job?

Well of course, as we keep hearing, they have to pay top whack salaries to get the best....

 

Anybody who thinks this lot is the best there is, has a very low bar. Sheffield isn't exactly thriving is it? It really is disgusting when the really useful people are having to strike just to get enough to live on, because we are constantly being told 'the country can't afford it'. 

 

The gap between the low paid and the high paid has never been greater, yet let's face it, which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? 

It certainly wasn't the pen pushers sat in their ivory towers...

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Well of course, as we keep hearing, they have to pay top whack salaries to get the best....

 

Anybody who thinks this lot is the best there is, has a very low bar. Sheffield isn't exactly thriving is it? It really is disgusting when the really useful people are having to strike just to get enough to live on, because we are constantly being told 'the country can't afford it'. 

 

The gap between the low paid and the high paid has never been greater, yet let's face it, which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? 

It certainly wasn't the pen pushers sat in their ivory towers...

Which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? Delivery drivers? Nurses? And who do you think manages the activities of those public facing roles? Who runs their payroll systems, ordering systems, IT support or any one of a myriad of back office processes? "Pen pushers", without which not a single one of those public facing services would operate in any form.

[sheffbag]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

The gap between the low paid and the high paid has never been greater, yet let's face it, which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? 

It certainly wasn't the pen pushers sat in their ivory towers...

No, they just paid the countries workers to stay home instead

[Anna B]

33 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? Delivery drivers? Nurses? And who do you think manages the activities of those public facing roles? Who runs their payroll systems, ordering systems, IT support or any one of a myriad of back office processes? "Pen pushers", without which not a single one of those public facing services would operate in any form.

Mostly middle management, supervisors, chargehands can take control, or even the workers themselves. It's not unknown for the workers to take over businesses and run them successfully. 

 

The NHS is a good example of overmanning in management at the expense of nurses etc. What was wrong with state registered, state enrolled nurse, ward sister and a matron model? Dedicated IT can take care of the admin side. 

 

We never needed these multiple layers of very expensive management, and it worked fine, some would say better than today.

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind...

Edited June 8, 2023 by Anna B

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34 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

 

 

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind...

And girls. We have female managers as well 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Which workers kept the country going during the pandemic? Delivery drivers? Nurses? And who do you think manages the activities of those public facing roles? Who runs their payroll systems, ordering systems, IT support or any one of a myriad of back office processes? "Pen pushers", without which not a single one of those public facing services would operate in any form.

The thread is about councils and discussing the massive salaries of those at the top.

The people under discussion don't do any of these things.

It was the good old ordinary workers who kept the country going.

The pen pushers can be replaced any time at all

 

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Mostly middle management, supervisors, chargehands can take control, or even the workers themselves. It's not unknown for the workers to take over businesses and run them successfully. 

 

The NHS is a good example of overmanning in management at the expense of nurses etc. What was wrong with state registered, state enrolled nurse, ward sister and a matron model? Dedicated IT can take care of the admin side. 

 

We never needed these multiple layers of very expensive management, and it worked fine, some would say better than today.

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind...

Completely correct.