leviathan13 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 OK, even ignoring the fact that him claiming to be Christian is probably a massive lie... his actions weren't very 'Christian', were they? He's obviously not a Christian and only said it to help in his asylum claim. And those claiming he didn't commit the atrocity because of his race or immigration status - how do you know? How do you know his intention wasn't to travel to a western country to harm people and being allowed to travel freely because he was 'seeking asylum' allowed him to do so? He'd already been granted status in Sweden (and we all know the trouble that oh-so-liberal country is having with immigration) but was able to somehow get to France. So, he wasn't even a refugee/asylum seeker at that point! He was already in a safe country before travelling to France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThaBoom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Could be anyone dressed up as an 'Arab' to make it appear that its a failed asylum seeker who snapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prettytom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, leviathan13 said: OK, even ignoring the fact that him claiming to be Christian is probably a massive lie... his actions weren't very 'Christian', were they? He's obviously not a Christian and only said it to help in his asylum claim. And those claiming he didn't commit the atrocity because of his race or immigration status - how do you know? How do you know his intention wasn't to travel to a western country to harm people and being allowed to travel freely because he was 'seeking asylum' allowed him to do so? He'd already been granted status in Sweden (and we all know the trouble that oh-so-liberal country is having with immigration) but was able to somehow get to France. So, he wasn't even a refugee/asylum seeker at that point! He was already in a safe country before travelling to France. There is so much wrong with this post that it would take a professional to unpack it all. I will make just two comments. The religion of the attacker is a matter of record. No matter how much it clashes with your preconceptions. Sweden is a member of Schengen. France is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Prettytom said: There is so much wrong with this post that it would take a professional to unpack it all. I will make just two comments. The religion of the attacker is a matter of record. No matter how much it clashes with your preconceptions. Sweden is a member of Schengen. France is too. Fair do's... but this sort of shows it's probably not a good idea to allow undocumented travel between countries. And fair enough about the religion bit - it just proves why i have a problem with religion. A lot of 'Christians' aren't very Christian in their actions, as proved here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Although anyone can commit this crime What it highlights are the dangers of people bypassing standard immigration checks that are required for people who would normally apply for a VISA They are arrested and released into the UK and we have no idea who they are or what crimes, mental health issues or religious affiliations they may have People who arrive to the UK illegally rip up their ID and dont have to provide any evidence like the ones listed below to refuse them entry to the UK. Im sick of Liberals who support illegal migration and the abuse of our asylum system that gives these people amnesty from rights that the rest of us have to follow the dates you’re planning to travel to the UK where you’ll be staying during your visit how much you think your trip will cost your current home address and how long you’ve lived there your parents’ names and dates of birth (if known) how much you earn in a year (if you have an income) details of any criminal, civil or immigration offences you may have committed Depending on your circumstances, you might also need to provide: details of your travel history for the past 10 years your employer’s address and telephone number your partner’s name, date of birth and passport number the name and address of anyone paying for your trip the name, address and passport number of any family members you have in the UK a certificate proving that you’ve had a tuberculosis (TB) test if you’re visiting for more than 6 months Documents that will help process your application bank statements or letters issued more than 1 year before the date of application credit card statements driving licence educational certificates that are not listed as required for your visa evidence of car ownership personal photographs notarial certificates business cards hotel bookings flight bookings (unless transiting) photocopies of bank cards certificates relating to leisure activities, for example sports trophies travel insurance sponsor’s utility bills sponsor’s council tax bills Edited June 9, 2023 by Jack Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattricia Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Roy Kent said: My nan always said to me that if you do the crime, do the time. No offence. Correct ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Poor kids, the guy’s obviously not a full shilling, he’d very likely have done something similar sooner or later, irrespective of what anyone says, let’s hope that lessons are learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Horrific that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prettytom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, HumbleNarrator said: Which basically means if one Schengen member has an open border policy for migrants all other member in effect do too whether they like it or not. Which countries in the Schengen zone have open border policies for migrants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbow Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Reports suggest he had no history of crime or mental illness, in which case no border check would have made any difference. I've been to France plenty of times on a ferry - if one time for some reason I'd stabbed some people, would that mean ferries to France should be stopped? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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