Fargate Redevelopment

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3 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

Lizzie literally said, 'they have started to put down paving'. Why would you think that would mean it would no longer be a building site? They're still in the process of doing a lot of the underground utility works on most of the street.

It was the bit about it looking nice I was thinking of.  Of course I know it’s not finished and is a work in process but it has been going on for ages, has caused and is still causing a huge amount of disruption and even when finished, I’m not at all convinced that flower beds on Fargate is a pragmatic choice. I would love to see them well kept and beautiful and it’s a nice idea in theory.  But realistically? 
Didn’t the council spend a lot of money in the 90s getting those cobbles laid on Fargate by specialist tradesmen?  Only to get ripped up after a relatively short time?  I very much doubt current work on Fargate will last 30 years before it’s all ripped up.  I hope I’m wrong though. 

[AndrewC]

There are some quite large sections of completed paving up by the Town Hall end of Fargate that give more than a good enough indication of how the paving is likely to come out.

You can paint 1sq ft of your living room wall in a new colour and decide it looks nice - you don't necessarily need to wait until it's all finished.

 

It's been explained by others on here that these works are much, much more than some new paving - even if that's ultimately all we'll ever really see of it. Huge changes to underground utilities (to facilitate more residential premises on upper floors than there are currently), underground bin stores, planters & flower beds that will probably have the same SuDS technology as other grey-to-green schemes have had (like on Bridge Street, West Bar etc)., new bollards. And all whilst having to manage the site so Fargate can stay open to minimise disruption.

 

It's odd, most naysayers on this forum will tell you town is dead and no one uses Fargate any more, and yet many of the same people will try and tell you all these works are causing disruption?

 

Fargate certainly hasn't seen much love & investment since I first came to Sheffield, around 2003. I appreciate what you say about the cobbles put down in the 1990s, but - as above - there's more to it than just new paving.

[hackey lad]

36 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

There are some quite large sections of completed paving up by the Town Hall end of Fargate that give more than a good enough indication of how the paving is likely to come out.

You can paint 1sq ft of your living room wall in a new colour and decide it looks nice - you don't necessarily need to wait until it's all finished.

 

It's been explained by others on here that these works are much, much more than some new paving - even if that's ultimately all we'll ever really see of it. Huge changes to underground utilities (to facilitate more residential premises on upper floors than there are currently), underground bin stores, planters & flower beds that will probably have the same SuDS technology as other grey-to-green schemes have had (like on Bridge Street, West Bar etc)., new bollards. And all whilst having to manage the site so Fargate can stay open to minimise disruption.

 

It's odd, most naysayers on this forum will tell you town is dead and no one uses Fargate any more, and yet many of the same people will try and tell you all these works are causing disruption?

 

Fargate certainly hasn't seen much love & investment since I first came to Sheffield, around 2003. I appreciate what you say about the cobbles put down in the 1990s, but - as above - there's more to it than just new paving.

How do the underground bins work for the residents?

[Baron99]

1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

How do the underground bins work for the residents?

On-site, SCC mole. 

[ads36]

Just now, hackey lad said:

How do the underground bins work for the residents?

*some* of them will be locked , with residents being given 'keys' (rfid fobs most likely, surely?)

 

it's one of the hurdles-to-clear - enabling flats above the shops, without filling the shopping street with residential wheelie-bins.

[hackey lad]

7 minutes ago, ads36 said:

*some* of them will be locked , with residents being given 'keys' (rfid fobs most likely, surely?)

 

it's one of the hurdles-to-clear - enabling flats above the shops, without filling the shopping street with residential wheelie-bins.

Rotting rubbish under Fargate . How do they get emptied ? I don’t understand how this works .

[AndrewC]

20 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

How do the underground bins work for the residents?

You asked that question on the 6th February and got an answer the next day:

 

On 06/02/2024 at 16:08, hackey lad said:

Underground bins , how does that work and why is it linked with the flats above shops ?

 

On 07/02/2024 at 09:40, ads36 said:

they look more or less like a normal street bin - but the visible bit leads down into a massive buried container.

 

once a week (or so) this buried container is lifted out, and emptied.

 

This is now standard all over the world - there's even one in Hathersage! (so i'm told)

 

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If we want to see the space above the shops used as flats (and we really do) - they need somewhere to put their household waste - we can't fill Fargate with hundreds of wheelie bins.

 

So... *some* of the new buried bins will be locked - so that only key holders (residents) can access them.

 

[hackey lad]

1 minute ago, AndrewC said:

You asked that question on the 6th February and got an answer the next day:

 

 

 

Sorry must have missed that . I presume they would be emptied late night/ early morning. 

[Padders]

1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

Sorry must have missed that . I presume they would be emptied late night/ early morning. 

You were probably out scouting.

[hackey lad]

2 minutes ago, Padders said:

You were probably out scouting.

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