Fargate Redevelopment

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, AndrewC said:

Go for it, but I don't know why you would bother. You know, there's always going to be something happening, city centres by their very nature are almost always changing, seeing new buildings, renovation work etc. It doesn't always have to be some result of incompetence.

 

In fact, if anything, the new paving on Fargate is likely to make a more attractive prospect to developers again who will no doubt refurbish the ground floor units, adapt the upper floors to residential use, and clean/renovate some of the external facades too. All of that is likely to take the shine off the new paving too, but that's the nature of the game.

Totally missed my point. 

[Chazza11JW]

21 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Thank you for your endorsement.  
So when the Fargate is all complete with its shiny new paving and fancy flower beds and it’s been officially opened by a grinning councillor , will it be okay to grumble when the scaffolding goes up for months on end ? 

Would you rather have a derelict building to whine about instead?

[hackey lad]

13 minutes ago, Chazza11JW said:

Would you rather have a derelict building to whine about instead?

Again , missed the point.

[Chazza11JW]

2 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Again , missed the point.

Explain it then.

[hackey lad]

8 minutes ago, Chazza11JW said:

Explain it then.

Forward  planning. Do the work on Event Central while the work is being done on Fargate. Not finish one after a couple of years work , then bring the scaffolding in to start another one . 

[AndrewC]

42 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Forward  planning. Do the work on Event Central while the work is being done on Fargate. Not finish one after a couple of years work , then bring the scaffolding in to start another one . 

And what are you feelings on that topic after having read Sheffield Forum's post on the previous page (below)?

 

On 30/04/2024 at 15:47, SheffieldForum said:

I’ve asked someone.

 

They’ve said it is simply because that is the programme of works.

 

SCC had to acquire the building in the first place, which took some time, and they need to agree points with potential operators before starting main works on the building itself, which also takes time.  

Meanwhile, capital works started on Fargate itself (which was itself delayed somewhat) because it freed itself of any issues and simply could begin (and also had funding restrictions on the timescale, so it had to begin).

 

Some works have been happening in the Events Central building, for instance some of the electrics hub and other logistical stuff for future outdoor entertainment on Fargate will be run through EC and that work has been done. Anything else non-urgent can be done after Fargate when agreements are drawn up with the selected operator.

 

So, it is simply down to the way the cookie crumbles.

 

(Similar process is currently happening to Bethel Chapel on Cambridge Street, which will open following Cambridge Street Collective/Leahs Yard, etc, because of a similar programme of works there).

[Planner1]

25 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Forward  planning. Do the work on Event Central while the work is being done on Fargate. Not finish one after a couple of years work , then bring the scaffolding in to start another one . 

That might sound the best way to do it in an ideal world, but unfortunately the real world isn’t ideal. Also none of us looking in from the outside know every detail of the project. The people who are planning and delivering it do have all the information and are using it to deliver the project within its constraints.

 

There are often very good reasons why things are done in what might look to you to be a counter intuitive sequence.

 

These projects are being done using government funding. Often, the funding pots have very tight timescales by which they need to be spent. That might dictate the order in which you plan things, particularly if you are funding your project from multiple sources ( like this one)  ie get the time limited funding spent first,  to mitigate the risk of losing it.

 

You might also have problems with refurbishing a building, meaning those works will take longer than expected and cost more,  so you prioritise a different phase of the works, like the paving and planting, if they don’t restrict your ability to do the building work. That keeps you spending the funding you have, perhaps while you look for and get approval of other funding to deal with cost increases.
 

Sometimes it can take a good while to secure additional funding. Because they are cash strapped, Councils are increasingly reluctant to commit to works unless they have funding certainty, whereas in previous times they might have started work at risk while they get the necessary funding approvals.

 

The people delivering the projects ( who are mainly private sector designers, planners, engineers, architects, project managers etc ) are well experienced in that work and understand very well how to programme their work, taking into account all the constraints. They have specialist people whose job it is to plan and schedule works.

 

There are many permutations of how you might deliver projects like this. Often things get changed around during the development or delivery of the project, for many reasons.

 

To just expect things to happen exactly the way you might think they should from a position of little knowledge of the project and its complexities is a pretty unreasonable position to take, in my view.

[hackey lad]

How long have they had the funding for Fargate ? How long have they had the funding for Event Central ? I know they have had to extend the timescale for Event Central since they got the funding , why ? 

[HeHasRisen]

Not sure why you are worried, sure you said the other week you barely go into the City Centre.

[hackey lad]

2 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Not sure why you are worried, sure you said the other week you barely go into the City Centre.

Ah , that’s all ok then