Fargate Redevelopment

[Delbow]

41 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

And they got away Scot free . 

 

Yep. It was a real abuse of power and public office, they'll never get my vote.

[SheffieldForum]

3 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Already mentioned it on another thread .  Verges look like Jurassic Park round here . 

They are supposed to. Verges have been ‘meadowed’ for biodiversity after a trial with Amy and Sheffield & Rotherham Wildlife Trust.

 

Overtly cut verges mean almost nil biodiversity, especially for pollinators, invertebrates, insects and small mammals — leave natural verges and all that and more thrives.

 

https://www.wildsheffield.com/livinghighways/

 

 

(Now I’m sweating on the corners).

[redruby]

13 hours ago, Planner1 said:

If you are going to moan at the council, at least try to moan about stuff that they are actually doing.

 

The yellow bikes were a completely private sector initiative, not the council’s fault at all.

 

Did the council arrest the protesters? Or would that have been the police?

Oh my goodness!!  Are you saying that the council had nothing to do with this?!???  Of course the council don’t arrest people themselves but the arrangement for this ‘dawn raid’ with police presence cannot be conveniently swept under the carpet!!!

 

‘It was 17 November 2016 and, under the cover of darkness, officers from South Yorkshire Police had descended on Sheffield’s Rustlings Road, one of the city’s most sought-after addresses. Cordoning off the street and banging on doors, they ordered residents to get dressed and move their vehicles or have them towed away. Within the hour, Hockey, a retired sociology professor, would become one of three neighbours arrested and locked up for eight hours.‘

But this dramatic pre-dawn raid – described by Nick Clegg, then the local MP, as like something “you’d expect in Putin’s Russia” – was not carried out in search of terrorists or criminals.‘

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sheffield-tree-massacre-parks-green-city-spaces-felling-street-council-yorkshire-a8286581.html

[redruby]

11 hours ago, SheffieldForum said:

Thanks. I’m sweating for a line on the ‘lazy council-bashing bingo’ card here now.

Well if you support chopping down healthy street trees under cover of darkness in the early hours of the morning and arresting pensioners that objected I suppose it’s all a jolly good laugh!!
I know there are plenty of council bashers, serial moaners and grumpy gits but don’t use that as an excuse to hide truly shameful behaviour from the council.

[SheffieldForum]

54 minutes ago, redruby said:

Well if you support chopping down healthy street trees under cover of darkness in the early hours of the morning and arresting pensioners that objected I suppose it’s all a jolly good laugh!!
I know there are plenty of council bashers, serial moaners and grumpy gits but don’t use that as an excuse to hide truly shameful behaviour from the council.

I think you’ll find I was part of the street tree protests and did lots of work at the time legitimately criticising the council for that horrific policy and the way they went about it.

 

I also now recognise that things have significantly moved on since then and note the work the Council, Amey and others have been doing in correcting that stance, and support the work of the Sheffield Street Tree Partnership in a fantastic new approach for trees in Sheffield.

 

Criticism where it is due and praise where it is due too.

[redruby]

34 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

I think you’ll find I was part of the street tree protests and did lots of work at the time legitimately criticising the council for that horrific policy and the way they went about it.

 

I also now recognise that things have significantly moved on since then and note the work the Council, Amey and others have been doing in correcting that stance, and support the work of the Sheffield Street Tree Partnership in a fantastic new approach for trees in Sheffield.

 

Criticism where it is due and praise where it is due too.

That’s  all very good but the point I was making is that whilst there *are* people that will moan about anything and everything the council do, there are also people that want new projects to work but unfortunately are sceptical due to the council’s past record.  And these mistakes were not made so long ago that they can be consigned to history.  It’s all happened relatively recently.

[hackey lad]

10 hours ago, SheffieldForum said:

They are supposed to. Verges have been ‘meadowed’ for biodiversity after a trial with Amy and Sheffield & Rotherham Wildlife Trust.

 

Overtly cut verges mean almost nil biodiversity, especially for pollinators, invertebrates, insects and small mammals — leave natural verges and all that and more thrives.

 

https://www.wildsheffield.com/livinghighways/

 

 

(Now I’m sweating on the corners).

Ah , nowt to do with money then 

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, redruby said:

That’s  all very good but the point I was making is that whilst there *are* people that will moan about anything and everything the council do, there are also people that want new projects to work but unfortunately are sceptical due to the council’s past record.  And these mistakes were not made so long ago that they can be consigned to history.  It’s all happened relatively recently.

Very  true . Short memories. 

[SheffieldForum]

35 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Ah , nowt to do with money then 

Actually, no.

 

There had been a preference for years to mow verges to within an inch of their lives. It took considerable lobbying from Sheffield & Rotherham Wildife Trust and others to get them to trial a nature-friendly approach and then adopt it.

 

Theres still significant pressure for them to continue mowing throughout the year from people who don’t understand that overly manicured grass has little to no benefit for people, nature and biodiversity (people like you who complain it ‘looks like a jungle’) so the wildlife and nature organisations constantly have to keep up the lobbying to stop it reverting back to the horrible old ways it’s no benefit to anyone other than ‘it looks like the mowed grass of the affluent gardens from yesteryear that people thought they had to copy for decades to shallowly look better off than they are to their peers’).

[Planner1]

3 hours ago, redruby said:

Oh my goodness!!  Are you saying that the council had nothing to do with this?!???  Of course the council don’t arrest people themselves but the arrangement for this ‘dawn raid’ with police presence cannot be conveniently swept under the carpet!!!

 

‘It was 17 November 2016 and, under the cover of darkness, officers from South Yorkshire Police had descended on Sheffield’s Rustlings Road, one of the city’s most sought-after addresses. Cordoning off the street and banging on doors, they ordered residents to get dressed and move their vehicles or have them towed away. Within the hour, Hockey, a retired sociology professor, would become one of three neighbours arrested and locked up for eight hours.‘

But this dramatic pre-dawn raid – described by Nick Clegg, then the local MP, as like something “you’d expect in Putin’s Russia” – was not carried out in search of terrorists or criminals.‘

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sheffield-tree-massacre-parks-green-city-spaces-felling-street-council-yorkshire-a8286581.html

The police decide for themselves whether to arrest people or not.

 

If you think people were wrongfully arrested, that’s a police matter, nothing to do with the council.

 

Its fine to disagree with the council’s policy on tree maintenance and hold them accountable for getting it wrong, but don’t blame them for things they don’t control.