Privatise The Nhs?

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Mister M said:

I think that's an important point, as the population is aging, who's going to be paying for public services?

IIRC there have been a number of studies which have shown that those who migrate to our country are net contributors.

I agree with that point  but,  I am trying to point out that it is not only about funding. if you are dealing with an increasing population,

You also need to increase the numbers of people to service them and this has not  been happening.

The parties need to work out a long term plan for the future together, decide how it's going to be  reorganised and funded and stick to the plan.

  

Edited July 18, 2023 by Organgrinder

[Jack Grey]

39 minutes ago, Mister M said:

I think that's an important point, as the population is aging, who's going to be paying for public services?

IIRC there have been a number of studies which have shown that those who migrate to our country are net contributors.

Anyone on minimum wage do not contribute to the economy 

 

They take out more than they put in

 

And the 100,000 who arrived illegally last year who don't speak English or have any money 

 

The NHS is drowning because of over population 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Jack Grey

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Anyone on minimum wage do not contribute to the economy 

 

They take out more than they put in

 

And the 100,000 who arrived illegally last year who don't speak English or have any money 

 

The NHS is drowning because of over population 

The obvious answer to that is that they should be on a better wage then.

It  seems that you believe in keeping people on low wages and are anti strike but then criticise that they are not contributing to the economy.

Those that are working and making profits for their employers are contributing to the economy even though they may be on minimum wage.

Time you left the Tory stance and made up your mind whether people should be paid properly or not.

 

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

It's not about how many came in a particular year,  it's the fact that the population steadily grows and has increased by 7 million since the year 2000.
the NHS did cope until 2010 but since then has had to live alongside the austerity program and the results are now plain to see..

If we are going to have ever increasing population then we obviously need ever increasing doctors, nurses, beds , surgeries,  schools, and houses  etc and the very opposite happens.

I agree wholeheartedly with despritdan,  in that this is a very big factor in the performance of the NHS .

 

The irony is, not only has austerity wrecked the NHS, (and many other things,) but the national debt that it was in aid of, and supposed to be reducing, has grown exponentially under 13 years of Tory rule. Taxes have also risen to the highest level ever - and what have we got to show for it? Waiting lists the longest they've ever been, people not able to see a doctor or a dentist and having to pull their own teeth, foodbanks on every corner, and 7 million children now living in poverty.   

 

 

[Baron99]

9 hours ago, Anna B said:

The irony is, not only has austerity wrecked the NHS, (and many other things,) but the national debt that it was in aid of, and supposed to be reducing, has grown exponentially under 13 years of Tory rule. Taxes have also risen to the highest level ever - and what have we got to show for it? Waiting lists the longest they've ever been, people not able to see a doctor or a dentist and having to pull their own teeth, foodbanks on every corner, and 7 million children now living in poverty.   

 

 

My bold. 

 

Remember the "We only have 24 hours to save the NHS", from back in 1997?

 

Labour had 13 years during a time when the UK was the 5th or 6th best economy in the world.  Was the NHS fixed by 2010 when we decided to kick Gordon Brown into touch?  Of course it wasn't. 

 

The NHS is the perennial political football that no political party can deal with or really wants to deal with because it's a sacred cow of of an organisation with this mythical iconic status. 

 

No party really wants to deal with it because to deal with it, to get it back on track & make it fit for purpose would take radical change or an increase in taxation to fund its current processes. 

 

It's still fundamentally being run on the 1947 business model for a UK that had a population of 50 million; where people, if they were lucky, lived for a few years after retirement. 

 

The business model wasn't designed for a population approaching 70 million; people living well into their 70's & 80's as a norm & well beyond but with many being given drugs to ensure their lives continue.  It wasn't designed for an increasing number of people to be given free prescriptions at the age 60.  The model wasn't designed to deal with the world we live in today where the NHS has to find money, resources & staff to run clinics for gender realignment; gambling addiction & gaming addiction issues.  Nor was the business model set up to fund salaries for an increasing army of managers to basically oversee other managers, many of who are in 'non jobs' such as 'Director of Lived Experience' or 'Climate Change Manager'. 

 

The business model needs an overall to make the NHS fit for the 21st century but no party is prepared to do that.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Baron99

[Jack Grey]

I propose that the government pay a fee to a private company with experience in the industry to revolutionise and streamline the NHS

 

There is no profit to be made

 

Just a contract for them to run it efficiently and to reduce wastage

 

To make sure we pay competitive prices for pharmaceuticals and resources 

 

 

[Al Bundy]

26 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

My bold. 

 

Remember the "We only have 24 hours to save the NHS", from back in 1997?

 

Labour had 13 years during a time when the UK was the 5th or 6th best economy in the world.  Was the NHS fixed by 2010 when we decided to kick Gordon Brown into touch?  Of course it wasn't. 

 

The NHS is the perennial political football that no political party can deal with or really wants to deal with because it's a sacred cow of of an organisation with this mythical iconic status. 

 

No party really wants to deal with it because to deal with it, to get it back on track & make it fit for purpose would take radical change or an increase in taxation to fund its current processes. 

 

It's still fundamentally being run on the 1947 business model for a UK that had a population of 50 million; where people, if they were lucky, lived for a few years after retirement. 

 

The business model wasn't designed for a population approaching 70 million; people living well into their 70's & 80's as a norm & well beyond but with many being given drugs to ensure their lives continue.  It wasn't designed for an increasing number of people to be given free prescriptions at the age 60.  The model wasn't designed to deal with the world we live in today where the NHS has to find money, resources & staff to run clinics for gender realignment; gambling addiction & gaming addiction issues.  Nor was the business model set up to fund salaries for an increasing army of managers to basically oversee other managers, many of who are in 'non jobs' such as 'Director of Lived Experience' or 'Climate Change Manager'. 

 

The business model needs an overall to make the NHS fit for the 21st century but no party is prepared to do that.

No, no, no,no NO!!!!

 

it's the Tory's fault.

 

🙄

Edited July 18, 2023 by Al Bundy

[despritdan]

14 hours ago, El Cid said:

I am sure that you are not suggesting that all the 600,000 that came here last year are ill and coming to use the NHS.

At least not as ill as our own overweight type two diabetes prone population?

No, I'm sure they were all highly qualified doctors and nurses who will never grow old, never get ill, never use the NHS, never claim any benefits, never commit any crimes, never add to the demand for houses, food, water, energy etc, never add to road congestion and pollution by driving cars and never transfer any money they earn in this country to their own countries. Let's not forget that they'll all pay more into the system than they'll ever take out which is why the national debt is coming down every year. Hang on though, it isn't; it's actually increasing every year as the population increases. It must be all those fat white diabetics that are to blame. The same applies of course to the 600,000 who'll be coming here this year, next year, the year after that and the year after that and the year after that and the year after that.....

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

 

Remember the "We only have 24 hours to save the NHS", from back in 1997?

 

Labour had 13 years during a time when the UK was the 5th or 6th best economy in the world.  Was the NHS fixed by 2010 when we decided to kick Gordon Brown into touch?  Of course it wasn't. 

 

You have an extremely poor memory   -   It's well documented that public satisfaction with the NHS was extremely high when Labour left office.

Not much point discussing if you are going to make up your bit yourself.

 

1 hour ago, Al Bundy said:

No, no, no,no NO!!!!

 

it's the Tory's fault.

 

🙄

Got it right for a change   -   that's a very unusual occurrence.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Organgrinder

[hauxwell]

A giant barge has moored off the coast of Dorset. It’s going to house 500 illegal migrants. It’s got it’s own mini NHS on board, a dentist and doctor.  One lady who lives in the area said there are only two doctor's practices on the Isle of Portland which already has a population of 13,000 people and a single dentist. 

 

More work for the overstretched NHS.