Are Gay Pride Marches Past Their Sell By Date?

[Jack Grey]

56 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Well one would think so, but if the law isn't clear all sorts of chaos ensues, and the only one's to benefit are the greedy lawyers. And mistakes are made. Not good enough.

Exactly

 

Laws shouldn't be open to interpretation because then it's personal to the person assessing it

 

That's opinion

 

Laws shouldn't be about feelings just facts 

54 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Which you absolutely can do...

 

...but that does not, and should not, insulate you from any potential consequences from doing so.

Again......I'll ask 

 

Who decides what speech is consequential?

 

If I say I hate the colour yellow

 

What if I say I hate women

 

What if I say religion is stupid

 

Or that being gay is wrong

 

Of all those things I've listed who decides what is ok to say and what isn't?

Edited July 31, 2023 by Jack Grey

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7 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Exactly

 

Laws shouldn't be open to interpretation because then it's personal to the person assessing it

 

That's opinion

 

Laws shouldn't be about feelings just facts 

Again......I'll ask 

 

Who decides what speech is consequential?

 

If I say I hate the colour yellow is that ok?

 

What if I say I hate women?

 

What if I say religion is stupid?

 

Or that being gay is wrong?

 

Of all those things I've listed who decides what is ok to say and what isn't?

How many times do you have to be told?

 

You can say all those things. No one is stopping you from having those views.

 

What you can't do is discriminate based on those things.

 

And expressing those views to others that might fall into those groups is not discrimination.

 

Here's an example of possible discrimination in the papers today 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12356285/Gay-couple-claim-Christian-painter-refused-decorate-home-sexuality-reveal-reason-wont-shame-her.html

Edited July 31, 2023 by Delayed

[Jack Grey]

3 minutes ago, Delayed said:

How many times do you have to be told?

 

You can say all those things. No one is stopping you from having those views.

 

What you can't do is discriminate based on those things.

 

And expressing those views to others that might fall into those groups is not discrimination.

 

Here's an example of possible discrimination in the papers today 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12356285/Gay-couple-claim-Christian-painter-refused-decorate-home-sexuality-reveal-reason-wont-shame-her.html

You're still not answering my question 🤣

 

WHO DECIDES WHAT IS OFFENSIVE SPEECH? 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Jack Grey

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Just now, Jack Grey said:

You're still not answering my question 🤣

 

WHO DECIDES WHAT IS OFFENSIVE SPEECH? 

You're still ignoring the answer

 

Police, Courts, Parliament

 

 

[Jack Grey]

1 minute ago, Delayed said:

You're still ignoring the answer

 

Police, Courts, Parliament

 

 

Right now we're getting somewhere

 

So in a democracy you're saying that the establishment get to say what we can say and what we can't say?

 

Just like North Korea, Russia, The Guardian etc etc? 

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4 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Right now we're getting somewhere

 

So in a democracy you're saying that the establishment get to say what we can say and what we can't say?

 

Just like North Korea, Russia, The Guardian etc etc? 

No because you aren't banned from saying those things. 

 

You just have to be careful how you are saying things and mindful of your audience....like every discussion.

 

Am I likely to say to a Muslim that religion is a load of rubbish? Possibly, if I know that person is understanding of my position. Otherwise I'd probably just keep my opinion to myself.

 

Am I more likely to express that same.view to an atheist. Yes, as they may agree and not take offence.

 

I can't believe that you are trying to equate our freedom of speech laws with north Korea. 

[Jack Grey]

8 minutes ago, Delayed said:

No because you aren't banned from saying those things. 

 

You just have to be careful how you are saying things and mindful of your audience....like every discussion.

 

Am I likely to say to a Muslim that religion is a load of rubbish? Possibly, if I know that person is understanding of my position. Otherwise I'd probably just keep my opinion to myself.

 

Am I more likely to express that same.view to an atheist. Yes, as they may agree and not take offence.

 

I can't believe that you are trying to equate our freedom of speech laws with north Korea. 

But you didn't say that

 

You said that we can say what we like but we should be prepared to suffer the consequences

 

You can say what you like in any country around the world

 

But it's the consequences that are oppressive 

 

I prefer the old days when you could say what you wanted and people could decide if you were a dick or not

 

I can't believe people in the UK want the government to decide what we can say with the risk of consequences

 

That's insane 

[Delayed]

1 minute ago, Jack Grey said:

But you didn't say that

 

You said that we can say what we like but we should be prepared to suffer the consequences

 

I never said that 

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6 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

 

 

I can't believe people in the UK want the government to decide what we can say with the risk of consequences

 

That's insane 

Is it any different to the courts deciding upon a suitable punishment when the law is broken?

[Jack Grey]

21 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Is it any different to the courts deciding upon a suitable punishment when the law is broken?

But there is a massive difference from saying your gonna kill someone and actually doing it

 

The law on murder is very clear