Chekhov Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) The Times article : Fresh intake [of MPs] will improve standards Standards of behaviour and conduct in parliament will markedly improve when senior and more elderly MPs retire at the next election, Westminster's sleaze watchdog has said. Daniel Greenberg, parliamentary commissioner for standards, said that an influx of new MPs would give parliament a fresh start because they would bring with them experience of modern workplaces. Greenberg said the new intake would probably come from "exciting workplace environments where they will be used to the very best in modern standards of how a [modern] workplace works [sic] and how colleagues treat each other". https://www.danielgreenberg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Article-Times.pdf "exciting workplace environments" Seriously ? ! ? Places where you have to be paranoid about everything you say and do are "exciting" ? Greenberg must have a very odd definition of "exciting", to me it sounds anodyne, sterile, dull, humourless, intolerant and, basically, totally boring. Most people I know want to have a laugh at work, and the more the better, they want to take the **** all day long. Personally I would hate to work somewhere like the NHS, or another Woke employer, where most of what we (and most people) laugh about at work would be passé or even get you into serious trouble with IT Leave us alone to relax and enjoy life. Edited September 17, 2023 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 and >>Delayed said : I don't think you have any idea about the typical workplace when you are self employed and mainly do your business online. There's no paranoia when people are being considerate in the workplace. And who says that people can't have a laugh? Ultimately though, people are paid to work.<< What has the fact I am self employed and "mainly do your business online" have to do with anything ? We have a laugh at work, and, bearing in mind my two staff have been with me for about 10 and 14 years, they do to. That's what matters. >>And who says that people can't have a laugh?<< In pretty much all the workplaces I have worked at most of the subject matter (mainly taking the ****) would not be allowed in, say, the NHS. So what, pray, would people laugh about if most of the subjects for humour were not allowed ? >>Ultimately though, people are paid to work.<< Good service to our customers is number one, after that it's having a laugh. Personally I would not want to employ anyone who didn't have a well developed sense of humour. I don't care how good they were at their job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delayed Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chekhov said: and >>Delayed said : I don't think you have any idea about the typical workplace when you are self employed and mainly do your business online. There's no paranoia when people are being considerate in the workplace. And who says that people can't have a laugh? Ultimately though, people are paid to work.<< What has the fact I am self employed and "mainly do your business online" have to do with anything ? Obviously you don't work in a modern work environment. You and 2 other people you have employed for a long time does not represent today's working environment. So what might work for your small business cannot be compared to the NHS which is a large employer, all employing a wide array of people all with different specialisms, backgrounds, skills, roles etc. You're comparing Apples and Banana's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Findlay Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Chekhov said: Good service to our customers is number one, after that it's having a laugh. Personally I would not want to employ anyone who didn't have a well developed sense of humour. I don't care how good they were at their job So you prefer arrogance and ignorance to performance. There are many people who have autistic traits that are excellent at their job because of them. They do however, not perform well with literal banter. I'm not sure the modern workplace is comforting when you hear from female surgeons in the NHS that have been raped and sexually abused and not heard out by the management. Edited September 17, 2023 by Findlay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Delayed said: Obviously you don't work in a modern work environment. You and 2 other people you have employed for a long time does not represent today's working environment. So what might work for your small business cannot be compared to the NHS which is a large employer, all employing a wide array of people all with different specialisms, backgrounds, skills, roles etc. You're cmparing Apples and Banana's >>Obviously you don't work in a [typical] modern work environment.<< I think I do, and that was confirmed by a discussion I was having with one of the staff at one of my largest suppliers. Most people want to have a laugh at work and do so. It's people who are over sensitive who don't fit in. But if you are correct and the modern trend is for sanitised anodyne "workplace environments" then that's yet another reason to think modern life really is crap, and getting crapper all the time. At the end of the day people are different, but why should we all be dragged down to the level of the most sensitive ? Why are they "in the right" and the rest of us reasonably resilient types "in the wrong". Why should it automatically be assumed we should all change to become like them (and have a more boring life because of it) ? 2 minutes ago, Findlay said: So you prefer arrogance and ignorance to performance. There are many people who have autistic traits that are excellent at their job because of them. They do however, not perform well with literal banter. You consider wanting to have a laugh at work "arrogant and ignorant" ? There's no more to be said on that is there ? I want to have a laugh at work and well do so. It is very important to me, I want to want to go to work and having banter and a laugh is one of the main reasons for doing so. You seem to be suggesting that I employ someone who does not want to do that, and consequently will mean we will all be much less happy at work. How can you justify that ? Edited September 17, 2023 by Chekhov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Findlay Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chekhov said: You consider wanting to have a laugh at work "arrogant and ignorant" ? You completely missed the point. .. You dont CARE how good they are is the point. YOUR arrogance is dismissing people that are EXCELLENT at the expense of having a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delayed Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chekhov said: >>Obviously you don't work in a [typical] modern work environment.<< I think I do, and that was confirmed by a discussion I was having with one of the staff at one of my largest suppliers. You don't. Some bespoke shop in Hillsborough does not represent the atypical workplace. But shocker, you spoke to someone who agrees with you so it must be true. 11 minutes ago, Chekhov said: Most people want to have a laugh at work and do so. It's people who are over sensitive who don't fit in. But if you are correct and the modern trend is for sanitised anodyne "workplace environments" then that's yet another reason to think modern life really is crap, and getting crapper all the time. Who says that people can't have a laugh at work? It all depends on the subject matter. If you're laughing at a colleague being different to everyone who else in some way then yes that's called bullying. If you are laughing about what you saw on TV last night then that's just conversation which all employers encourage because it's team building. Again, you are just making something up and getting angry about it. Which shows that you don't know what goes off in the real world beyond your shop and headlines. 11 minutes ago, Chekhov said: At the end of the day people are different, but why should we all be dragged down to the level of the most sensitive ? Why are they "in the right" and the rest of us reasonably resilient types "in the wrong". Why should it automatically be assumed we should all change to become like them (and have a more boring life because of it) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkapaka Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Chekhov said: The Times article : Fresh intake [of MPs] will improve standards Standards of behaviour and conduct in parliament will markedly improve when senior and more elderly MPs retire at the next election, Westminster's sleaze watchdog has said. Daniel Greenberg, parliamentary commissioner for standards, said that an influx of new MPs would give parliament a fresh start because they would bring with them experience of modern workplaces. Greenberg said the new intake would probably come from "exciting workplace environments where they will be used to the very best in modern standards of how a [modern] workplace works [sic] and how colleagues treat each other". https://www.danielgreenberg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Article-Times.pdf "exciting workplace environments" Seriously ? ! ? Places where you have to be paranoid about everything you say and do are "exciting" ? Greenberg must have a very odd definition of "exciting", to me it sounds anodyne, sterile, dull, humourless, intolerant and, basically, totally boring. Most people I know want to have a laugh at work, and the more the better, they want to take the **** all day long. Personally I would hate to work somewhere like the NHS, or another Woke employer, where most of what we (and most people) laugh about at work would be passé or even get you into serious trouble with IT Leave us alone to relax and enjoy life. Ahhhh….The daily “confirmation bias” blog by chekhov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloke Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Findlay said: You completely missed the point. .. You dont CARE how good they are is the point. YOUR arrogance is dismissing people that are EXCELLENT at the expense of having a laugh Hmmm... I can honestly say that I've NEVER worked with anyone who I'd call "excellent" who DIDN'T have a sense of humour. They may SEEM to be brilliant when everything is going well and working as it should... ... but as soon as things start to go a bit "off" and their "excellence" is really needed, they're usually the first ones to panic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) I think you've made the mistake of transposing what the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner said should apply to Parliament, to what should happen across all workplaces in the UK. That's not what he's saying at all. The article quotes Chris Pincher MP....Would you find it exciting to work with someone who pinched your bum, or front bum whenever he felt a bit sleazy? No? Oh c'mon, where's your sense of humour? Or perhaps if you announced to your workplace that a close relative of yours had just passed away, and some tosser said "let the bodies pile high, ha ha ha". I don't think you'd find that funny. Would you like to walk into an office to see your manager being given a blow job by his current squeeze? No? Pah, snowflake. Edited September 17, 2023 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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