Sunak : Nett Zero But In A 'More Proportionate' Way

[Magilla]

1 minute ago, Chekhov said:

If more people die from the cold than the heat, then. one would have thought, a 2 or 3 degree rise in UK temperatures fewer people would die.

Limiting warming to that 2 or 3 degree rise, is what NetZero is trying to achieve... that's with NetZero, not without! 🙄

Just now, Chekhov said:

My faith in "experts" took a MASSIVE dive during Covid. And, as I have said before, the Covid over reaction and Nett Zero have many parallels :

We're not talking about Covid... but thanks for completely ignoring the post you were responding to in such characteristic fashion.

 

On the ropes with the subject at hand, back to Covid... quicker than usual today! Congrats! 🤣

[Chekhov]

1 hour ago, Magilla said:

The "trees" fiasco being another prime example.

 

Are we talking about the same thing ?

This ? (more CO2 causes more photosynthesis which uses up more CO2) :

 

The Times - 10 Oct 22 p8 :

Rising carbon emissions make trees grow bigger

Trees feasting on increased CO2 emissions have grown thicker and larger researchers at Ohio State University suggest.

Academics examined the volume of trees in ten temperate forest groups across America and found that the volume of tree trunks was up 30% bigger than 30 years ago.

The phenomenon, known as Carbon fertilisation - when an influx of CO2 increases a plant's rate of photosynthesis - is likely to be replicated across the world.

 

And this ? :

 

NASA

"Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds"

 

"From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

"An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

"Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions.

"The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to TWO TIMES THE United STATES". (Caps mine)

 

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

 

4 minutes ago, Magilla said:

We're not talking about Covid... but thanks for completely ignoring the post you were responding to in such characteristic fashion.

On the ropes with the subject at hand, back to Covid... quicker than usual today! Congrats! 🤣

No, I pointed out why I no longer trust "the experts" and drew parallels with what happened during Covid. The post was entirely relevant.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Chekhov

[HeHasRisen]

7 minutes ago, Magilla said:

On the ropes with the subject at hand, back to Covid... quicker than usual today! Congrats! 🤣

It's all he can think about. Well, that and me. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by HeHasRisen

[Chekhov]

4 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Limiting warming to that 2 or 3 degree rise, is what NetZero is trying to achieve... that's with NetZero, not without! 🙄

 

OK, 5 degrees will save even more lives (in the UK) then as hardly anyone will die from the cold in the winter.

 

BBC News :

There have been more than 50,000 heat-related deaths and more than 200,000 related to cold in England and Wales since 1988, new official figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said very low and very high temperatures both increased the risk of death.

And although cold is the bigger killer, the ONS said heat-related deaths appeared to have risen in recent years.

Some 4,507 deaths were estimated to be linked to heat in England last year - when temperatures topped 40C.

That was the highest number of estimated heat-related deaths over the last 35 years - but does not take into account population growth, and is a similar number to levels in the 1990s and early 2000s when the population was smaller.

 

One assumes that with a larger population more would also have been dying from the cold, esp as people can't afford to heat their houses any more......

[Baron99]

I know a number of other countries are intending to delay implementing the net zero policies along the same lines as Sunak intends to do in the UK for various reasons.  Here in the UK I've heard the excuse of austerity(?).

 

Well austerity isn't going to last forever & neither will the planet at the rate we're going.  We should be pressing ahead with the original plans & implementation dates, being at the front of developing technology, leading the way, creating jobs in new feild & then flogging it to the rest of the world, just as the country led the world a few centuries ago with the Industrial Revolution.

[RJRB]

Time to re purpose the banner.

” YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM THE COLD THAN THE HEAT SO EAT DRINK AND BE MERRY BECAUSE WE ALL DIE ANYWAY,HAVE A NICE DAY”

[Magilla]

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

Are we talking about the same thing ?

This ? (more CO2 causes more photosynthesis which uses up more CO2) :

 

The Times - 10 Oct 22 p8 :

Rising carbon emissions make trees grow bigger

Trees feasting on increased CO2 emissions have grown thicker and larger researchers at Ohio State University suggest.

Academics examined the volume of trees in ten temperate forest groups across America and found that the volume of tree trunks was up 30% bigger than 30 years ago.

The phenomenon, known as Carbon fertilisation - when an influx of CO2 increases a plant's rate of photosynthesis - is likely to be replicated across the world.

They die younger, and emit more methane as they decompose in the long term.

 

They also only grow bigger if water and an abundance of nutrients are also available, which is far from certain.

 

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

NASA

"Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds"

 

"From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

"An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

"Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions.

"The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to TWO TIMES THE United STATES". (Caps mine)

 

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

Global Climate Change Impact on Crops Expected Within 10 Years, NASA Study Finds:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3124/global-climate-change-impact-on-crops-expected-within-10-years-nasa-study-finds/

Maise crop yields expected to reduce 24% by 2100, the outlook for beans and many other crops also dire... The only upside is wheat, which might result in an upswing of 17%... until it drops off a cliff nutritionally:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17617-wheat-gets-worse-as-co2-rises/

 

So, given everything else is going to be in short supply... I'll ask again, how many tree's have you eaten today?

 

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

No, I pointed out why I no longer trust "the experts" and drew parallels with what happened during Covid. The post was entirely relevant.

While simultaneously avoiding everything in the post to which you replied, as usual!

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Magilla

[Magilla]

46 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

OK, 5 degrees will save even more lives (in the UK) then as hardly anyone will die from the cold in the winter.

A rise of 3.2 degrees is predicted to cost 18% of global GDP, who knows what 5 might mean, not least given the dire warnings re: food supply.

https://www.swissre.com/media/press-release/nr-20210422-economics-of-climate-change-risks.html

 

...from the insurance industry, which could hardly be described as "media hype"!

 

Then there's the cost, not just in coin...

 

How much more of the UK will be under water at 5 degree's... are you sure your house is high enough, many in Yorkshire won't be... where are you proposing these displaced masses, potentially a million or more people, should live?

 

Unless you think food just magically appears out of nowhere... have you factored in how many will be starving to death, or already dead, globally, at 5 degrees?

 

What would 5 degrees mean for global migration, will it make people more likely to up-sticks and head in our direction, do you think?

Edited September 23, 2023 by Magilla

[melthebell]

Yet again looks like we're going backwards in Sunaks shortsighted attempts to woo right wing votes

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66900999

[Guest]

2 hours ago, RJRB said:

Time to re purpose the banner.

” YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM THE COLD THAN THE HEAT SO EAT DRINK AND BE MERRY BECAUSE WE ALL DIE ANYWAY,HAVE A NICE DAY”

That's very true but,   it's not the heat,   or the cold,  which will directly kill the human  race,   because we have learned how to deal with those to a large degree.

It will be  drought and heat and flooding,  which will  prevent the growing of crops or the grazing of animals on a large part of the planets surface.

People will migrate in their millions because they will have to,   including half the populations of China & India,  This will most likely cause more wars and the worlds people,  will have to live on less land.

It's a lot more complicated than many people realise.  The planet will survive and after the extinction of humans,  will probably recover, in a changed form,  once we,  who are killing it,  are gone,

 

2 hours ago, Magilla said:

Limiting warming to that 2 or 3 degree rise, is what NetZero is trying to achieve... that's with NetZero, not without! 🙄

 

That's correct and I can't understand why,  these supposed thinkers,  wish to hasten their demise.

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Organgrinder