When Police Kill

[harvey19]

9 minutes ago, melthebell said:

NOBODY should be above the law, including ex soldiers in Northern ireland, you do bad stuff you should expect to be tried on it.

Including IRA terrorists and those who organised terror ?

[melthebell]

Just now, harvey19 said:

Including IRA terrorists and those who organised terror ?

ALL

[dan_999uk]

1 hour ago, Axe said:

The officers who have handed in their ticket will have more knowledge about what actually happened than the public does.  They are not handing in their ticket because they think they should be able to kill anyone.  They are most likely worried they could  also end up on a murder charge if a similar incident occurred involving a car used for a gun incident driven by a person with a criminal record.

If it can be justified then NX121 can justify it in court, can't he.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear remember. 

[Delbow]

1 hour ago, Axe said:

The officers who have handed in their ticket will have more knowledge about what actually happened than the public does.  They are not handing in their ticket because they think they should be able to kill anyone.  They are most likely worried they could  also end up on a murder charge if a similar incident occurred involving a car used for a gun incident driven by a person with a criminal record.

Being on a murder charge is nothing to worry about if you're confident you didn't murder anyone, unless you feel you're being fitted up for something you didn't do. The only people who fit people up like that are the police themselves, so this officer should have nothing to worry about there. What these officers are effectively saying is that charging someone with a crime is not fair - let's just think about the absurdity of police officers taking that view.

 

Ironically, these officers handing their tickets in has probably done a lot for the safety of Black Londoners.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Delbow

[alchresearch]

15 hours ago, dan_999uk said:

I note that "more than 100" Metropolitan Police officers have handed back their permits to carry firearms after one of their colleagues, known as NX121, shot an unarmed Black man in disputed circumstances in September 2022.

100 out of 2500 - 4%?

[dan_999uk]

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On Monday 5 September 2022, Mr Chris Kaba was driving an Audi motor vehicle in South London. The Audi Mr Kaba was driving was believed to be linked to a firearms incident which took place the previous day and an automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) marker had been placed upon it.

A briefing was provided to officers prior to their shift on 5 September in which the Audi was brought to their attention as being potentially associated with the firearms incident the previous day. Mr Kaba’s name was not included in this briefing.

According to police logs and accounts received to date by officers, the Audi was recognised by officers parked at the side of the A202 in Camberwell Green in an unmarked armed response vehicle (ARV). The officers then started to follow the vehicle and circulated this via police airwaves at around 9.52pm.

Officers continued to follow the Audi until 10.07pm. The officers did not activate their lights or sirens while following the vehicle. The intention was to use an ‘enforced stop extraction’ on the Audi.

At around 10.07pm, Mr Kaba made a left turn from New Park Road onto Kirkstall Gardens. Already present on Kirkstall Gardens was a marked police armed response vehicle. The marked ARV had parked on Kirkstall Gardens with the intention of joining the other police vehicles behind the Audi once it had passed the junction. One of the officers inside the marked ARV was NX121.

Once Mr Kaba made the left turn the decision was taken to perform an ‘inline extraction’. Armed officers exited their vehicles and approached the Audi. The evidence suggests that contact was made between the Audi driven by Mr Kaba and the police vehicles.

The evidence further suggests that officer NX121 was standing to the front of Mr Kaba’s vehicle. A single shot was fired by officer NX121 piercing the front windscreen of the vehicle Mr Kaba was driving and struck him.

Officers at the scene provided first aid to Mr Kaba before he was taken to King’s College Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 12.16am on Tuesday 6 September 2022.

IOPC Statement read out at opening of inquest into the death of Chris Kaba

 

If the circumstances were that the officer had a legitimate fear that he was in immediate danger of being struck by the victim's car surely this would easily be bourne out by the police body worn video or vehicle CCTV that recorded his killing? Surely the prosecutors would have watched this footage prior to authorising charges?

[Axe]

40 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Being on a murder charge is nothing to worry about if you're confident you didn't murder anyone, unless you feel you're being fitted up for something you didn't do. The only people who fit people up like that are the police themselves, so this officer should have nothing to worry about there. What these officers are effectively saying is that charging someone with a crime is not fair - let's just think about the absurdity of police officers taking that view.

 

Ironically, these officers handing their tickets in has probably done a lot for the safety of Black Londoners.

Of course being on a murder charge is something to worry about which is the reason why so many officers have handed in their gun permits.  It is a disgrace  it has taken a year before the officer was charged with murder.  It must have been very distressing for the police officer involved.  If less black Londoners got involved in criminality then there would be less black Londoners putting themselves in danger.  I have more concern about police officers putting themselves in danger while working than criminals.

[Caswall]

I'm sure we'll see and hear all the sob-stories from his family and friends about 'what a lovely boy he was', but if Mr Kaba had been compliant with Police at the time, no doubt he would be alive today.  

 

Let us also not forget he was behind the wheel of a car associated with a recent shooting incident.  So, while we do not know (at the moment) whether or not he was an utter scrote himself, we can have little doubt that he was an associate of such people.

 

Our thoughts should be with the Police officer who is now being subjected to an ordeal for doing his job.

[HeHasRisen]

2 minutes ago, Caswall said:

I'm sure we'll see and hear all the sob-stories from his family and friends about 'what a lovely boy he was', but if Mr Kaba had been compliant with Police at the time, no doubt he would be alive today.  

 

Let us also not forget he was behind the wheel of a car associated with a recent shooting incident.  So, while we do not know (at the moment) whether or not he was an utter scrote himself, we can have little doubt that he was an associate of such people.

 

Our thoughts should be with the Police officer who is now being subjected to an ordeal for doing his job.

Puts me in mind of the whole George Floyd business. An absolute scumbag now made out to be some kind of martyr.

[Caswall]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Puts me in mind of the whole George Floyd business. An absolute scumbag now made out to be some kind of martyr.

Indeed - a nauseating movement at the time.   I don't personally know any people who are anti-Police, or Police-haters, but I cannot conceive of any reason that a decent law-abiding member of society would heva eeny feelings other than respect or admratio for those who protect us.ie, or Polcie haters,