Ukraine In World War Two .

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Eugene Finkel:

“We do not idealize the Ukrainian state and society. Like any other country, it has right-wing extremists and violent xenophobic groups. Ukraine also ought to better confront the darker chapters of its painful and complicated history. Yet none of this justifies the Russian aggression and the gross mischaracterization of Ukraine.”

One of the authors of the statement, Eugene Finkel, an associate professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, told us the influence of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi faction is relatively small.

“Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups do exist in Ukraine, like in pretty much any other country, including Russia,” Finkel said. “They are vocal and can be prone to violence but they are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. That is not to say that Ukraine doesn’t have a far-right problem. It does. But I would consider the KKK in the US and skinheads and neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right.”

[Guest]

1 hour ago, The_DADDY said:

Yeah, in the past..

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66919862

 

An invitation to parliament for a Ukrainian man who fought for a Nazi unit in World War Two is "deeply embarrassing" to Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says.

 

Yaroslav Hunka, 98, got a standing ovation after House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota called him a "hero" during a Friday visit by Ukraine's president.

 

Mr Rota has said he did not know of Mr Hunka's Nazi ties and made a mistake in inviting him to attend the event.

 

Oopsie 🙄

 

 

Also in the past....

 

 

Apparently 🙄

There are people with Nazi leanings in every country,  always have been,  and always will be.

Stirring the pot and finger pointing,  all these years later,  is not at all helpful to anybody.

All we need to do is learn from the past but unfortunately,  we don't seem to be very good at that.

Despite everything that happened,  our relations with Germany and Japan are good and that's what we need all around the world.

If we go into WW3,  there will be no victors at all and the only thing anyone could call us all  is FOOLS.

 

[The_DADDY]

7 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

There are people with Nazi leanings in every country,  always have been,  and always will be.

Stirring the pot and finger pointing,  all these years later,  is not at all helpful to anybody.

All we need to do is learn from the past but unfortunately,  we don't seem to be very good at that.

Despite everything that happened,  our relations with Germany and Japan are good and that's what we need all around the world.

If we go into WW3,  there will be no victors at all and the only thing anyone could call us all  is FOOLS.

 

On this we are in agreement. 

[Thorpist]

Stalin  tried to suppress the Ukrainians by starving the population so it was understandable that the people sided with Germans at the time, the genocidal nazi regime wasn’t common knowledge to all the Ukrainians at the time.

Death by starvation  caused by Stalin was their reality.
Putin is continuing the oppression of the Ukrainians. 
The question is can we as a society standby and watch Putin do as Stalin did .

[cuttsie]

6 minutes ago, Thorpist said:

Stalin  tried to suppress the Ukrainians by starving the population so it was understandable that the people sided with Germans at the time, the genocidal nazi regime wasn’t common knowledge to all the Ukrainians at the time.

Death by starvation  caused by Stalin was their reality.
Putin is continuing the oppression of the Ukrainians. 
The question is can we as a society standby and watch Putin do as Stalin did .

Siding with them to help in the Holocaust ???

[The_DADDY]

25 minutes ago, Thorpist said:

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The question is can we as a society standby and watch Putin 

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Let me stop you there.

Yes, we can watch because that's all we can do.

Ukraines army and its allies on the ground are getting absolutely obliterated by the Russians and if we don't stop supporting Ukraine and their corrupt government we will be on the chopping block too.

We are playing a dangerous game with putin, one we have little to no chance of winning.

Peace talks are what we should be aiming for.....but we won't as America is pulling the strings and calling the tune.

 

[Prettytom]

1 hour ago, The_DADDY said:

Let me stop you there.

Yes, we can watch because that's all we can do.

Ukraines army and its allies on the ground are getting absolutely obliterated by the Russians and if we don't stop supporting Ukraine and their corrupt government we will be on the chopping block too.

We are playing a dangerous game with putin, one we have little to no chance of winning.

Peace talks are what we should be aiming for.....but we won't as America is pulling the strings and calling the tune.

 

Thanks for the eye-witness account.

 

When did you get back from the front line, you big, brave boy?

[Thorpist]

Putin is not interested in peace and saying to him stop and if you don't we will say it again is stupid. Putin only recognises power.

How far should Putin be allowed to go before action is taken ? Estonia Lithuania Latvia Finland do we say sorry you are on your own. The argument that these countries are in Nato therefore secure is nonsense as Putin ignored the Budapest memorandum.

Putin would invade if Nato showed weakness.

Peace is what is desired but that is wishful thinking at this time

 

[cuttsie]

42 minutes ago, Thorpist said:

Putin is not interested in peace and saying to him stop and if you don't we will say it again is stupid. Putin only recognises power.

How far should Putin be allowed to go before action is taken ? Estonia Lithuania Latvia Finland do we say sorry you are on your own. The argument that these countries are in Nato therefore secure is nonsense as Putin ignored the Budapest memorandum.

Putin would invade if Nato showed weakness.

Peace is what is desired but that is wishful thinking at this time

 

answer post 15 please

[Thorpist]

There is no doubt that a proportion of the Ukranians sided with the Nazi regime as did a proportion of Germans , do we then blame todays Germans for what their forebears did ?