The Yom Kippur War .

[Axe]

1 hour ago, cressida said:

Won't ask,  best get back on topic.

 

What has the U.N.  said about the current situation?

The UN have condemned the terrorists attacks.  However, Russia has not condemned the terrorists attacks and China want a joint statement to condemn all attacks on civilians.  The problem is the terrorist group Hamas use civilians including hostages as human shields and launch rocket attacks from civilian buildings.

 

17 minutes ago, Delbow said:

No-one is justifying atrocities against civilians, and rape as a weapon of war is always abhorrent. The fact is that if Hamas were targeting smaller numbers of people over a longer time period you wouldn't be aware of it and probably wouldn't care that much - like most people. The day-to-day violations and abuses of Palestinians that the Israeli state carries out generally don't make it into the mass consciousness because they're done routinely and in the background. But to me, the murder of an Israeli civilian in a spectacular attack by Hamas and an IDF soldier shooting an innocent Palestinian in the back are just the same, which is why I don't buy your good guy/bad guy BS. And that's even without going into the number of Israeli civilians who are to some extent part of the armed forces and therefore not truly civilians.

Another terrorists sympathiser.  Hamas have clearly timed these terrorists attacks on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war which was started by the Muslim coalition.  The aim of the terrorists is to sabotage the three way peace and cooperation deal between Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA.  Similarly IRA terrorists attempted to sabotage the Good Friday Agreement when they carried out the Omagh bombing. Terrorists do not want peace.

 

All Israeli Jewish citizens have to serve in their armed forces due to the threat from the Muslim countries as well as the terrorists that surround their country.  

[Anna B]

In the interests of balance Gaza is being heavily bombed now by Israel, 500 dead including hostages so far and rising. 120,000 displaced due to bombing.

 

Incidently, How do you kidnap 130 people and get them across the border which is heavily fortified and patrolled? Several are American.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Anna B

[cuttsie]

21 minutes ago, Anna B said:

In the interests of balance Gaza is being heavily bombed now by Israel, 500 dead including hostages so far and rising. 120,000 displaced due to bombing.

 

Incidently, How do you kidnap 130 people and get them across the border which is heavily fortified and patrolled? Several are American.

 

 

One grandmother was forced onto a motor bike sat in the middle of two brave freedom fighters then paraded around the Gaza Strip , a young German lass was stripped naked and also paraded around . Ask yourselves would the Israel soldiers be allowed to do this , The answer is the World would be outraged , the terrorist sympathizers on here would ignore it as they ignored terrorist outrages nearer home .

The bombing of Gaza is predictable, Hamas knew it would happen but what can Israel do just sit back and take it .?  
 

Edited October 9, 2023 by cuttsie

[m williamson]

28 minutes ago, Axe said:

 Similarly IRA terrorists attempted to sabotage the Good Friday Agreement when they carried out the Omagh bombing. Terrorists do not want peace.

 

 

And once again you demonstrate your total ignorance of the facts. You're consistent, I'll give you that, but not in a good way as far as you're credibility is concerned.

The Omagh bombing was carried out by the so called Real IRA a group who were opposed to the GFA and wanted to continue the conflict. However, the PIRA politically represented by Sinn Fein were part of the negotiations and were in agreement with the GFA.

That's how former members of the PIRA wound up in the Northern Ireland Administration continuing to work toward peace by peaceful political means.

[cuttsie]

2 minutes ago, m williamson said:

And once again you demonstrate your total ignorance of the facts. You're consistent, I'll give you that, but not in a good way as far as you're credibility is concerned.

The Omagh bombing was carried out by the so called Real IRA a group who were opposed to the GFA and wanted to continue the conflict. However, the PIRA politically represented by Sinn Fein were part of the negotiations and were in agreement with the GFA.

That's how former members of the PIRA wound up in the Northern Ireland Administration continuing to work toward peace by peaceful political means.

The problem is terrorists are terrorists no matter what handle they use , They all hide behind the local population and say they represent them .

[harvey19]

22 minutes ago, m williamson said:

And once again you demonstrate your total ignorance of the facts. You're consistent, I'll give you that, but not in a good way as far as you're credibility is concerned.

The Omagh bombing was carried out by the so called Real IRA a group who were opposed to the GFA and wanted to continue the conflict. However, the PIRA politically represented by Sinn Fein were part of the negotiations and were in agreement with the GFA.

That's how former members of the PIRA wound up in the Northern Ireland Administration continuing to work toward peace by peaceful political means.

Because they realised the armed struggle had failed they fell back on the wording of the 1921 treaty which said Ireland could only be reunited by peaceful means.

[Axe]

25 minutes ago, m williamson said:

And once again you demonstrate your total ignorance of the facts. You're consistent, I'll give you that, but not in a good way as far as you're credibility is concerned.

The Omagh bombing was carried out by the so called Real IRA a group who were opposed to the GFA and wanted to continue the conflict. However, the PIRA politically represented by Sinn Fein were part of the negotiations and were in agreement with the GFA.

That's how former members of the PIRA wound up in the Northern Ireland Administration continuing to work toward peace by peaceful political means.

And you are consistent by failing to acknowledge that those responsible for the Omagh bombing are terrorists.  You are a consistent terrorists sympathiser.

[m williamson]

5 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

The problem is terrorists are terrorists no matter what handle they use , They all hide behind the local population and say they represent them .

cuttsie governments are responsible for more civilian deaths than terrorists.  https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians

 

What always has to be taken into consideration is  " Who was responsible for this situation occurring in the first place? "

Had there been no initial interference from one of the protagonists  then no terrorist/freedom fighters would have ever existed, would they? That being the case who is responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?

 

That doesn't excuse anything, but it does need to be taken into consideration and perhaps a little throttling back on the jingoistic one eyed My Country Right or Wrong stuff that some are prone to might be in order?

1 minute ago, Axe said:

And you are consistent by failing to acknowledge that those responsible for the Omagh bombing are terrorists.  You are a consistent terrorists sympathiser.

The Omagh bombers were terrorists for the reason that a peace deal was being worked on at the time and they wanted the violence to continue.

I am a consistent believer in the difference between right and wrong. Unlike a one eyed bigot.

[Axe]

53 minutes ago, Anna B said:

In the interests of balance Gaza is being heavily bombed now by Israel, 500 dead including hostages so far and rising. 120,000 displaced due to bombing.

 

Incidently, How do you kidnap 130 people and get them across the border which is heavily fortified and patrolled? Several are American.

 

 

Why are you attempting to balance?  There is no balance to be had over what has happened.  The Hamas terrorists are in the wrong for starting a war and Israel has every right to take military action in order to protect their own citizens and prevent the Hamas terrorists launching future attacks on their citizens and country.

[harvey19]

5 minutes ago, m williamson said:

cuttsie governments are responsible for more civilian deaths than terrorists.  https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians

 

What always has to be taken into consideration is  " Who was responsible for this situation occurring in the first place? "

Had there been no initial interference from one of the protagonists  then no terrorist/freedom fighters would have ever existed, would they? That being the case who is responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians?

 

That doesn't excuse anything, but it does need to be taken into consideration and perhaps a little throttling back on the jingoistic one eyed My Country Right or Wrong stuff that some are prone to might be in order?

There were IRA campaigns in the 1950s and more recently.

If republicans had worked for the betterment of the 6 counties instead of not accepting the existence of them unification may have come sooner

There were 2 stumbling blocks, the planters had brought wealth and industry to the north and the strong hold of the Catholic Church in the south.

Terrorists are not romantic figures but criminals, they are people who commit horrific crimes and bring lifelong pain to relatives of their victims.

Edited October 9, 2023 by harvey19