The Yom Kippur War .

[m williamson]

26 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

I would like to hear the silence on these pages if the millions of Muslims in the Country's surrounding Israel and hell bent on wiping Jews out cut of the Israeli's water  food and medical supplies .

As said the silence would be deafening , and tha knows it .

How did you come to that conclusion?  It would be the same reaction from any decent person who regards the life of an Israeli child as equal to the life of a Palestinian child.

Did you see the video of Gerald Kaufmans speech I posted?

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

I would like to hear the silence on these pages if the millions of Muslims in the Country's surrounding Israel and hell bent on wiping Jews out cut of the Israeli's water  food and medical supplies .

As said the silence would be deafening , and tha knows it .

Don't worry,  if it were Muslim's at fault,  you can be sure it wouldn't get past Grey & Bundy's  "Muslim Watch"  group and plastered all over this forum.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

If Hamas is the government of the Palestinians presumably the Palestinians and Israelis countries are at war.

If the terrorists who committed the 7th October are Hamas presumably they represented that government and country.

If the Palestinians are being beaten why don't they release the hostages, hand over the 7th October killers and surrender ?

Not taking sides but a few relevant facts that I think need to be brought into the debate.

That's already been discussed and you fail to explain how peaceful unarmed Palestinian families can overrule heavily armed battle hardened terrorists.

Someone did point out that you could reverse that argument and ask why, six million Jews didn't offer more resistance to the Germans in the 1940's and put a stop to it.

Surely you don't think that ordinary Palestinian families are the ones who are holding the hostages.   The Palestinians will be as afraid of Hamas as they are of Israel.

Bear in mind that, in situations like this, you usually find that there is also a lot of propaganda and brainwashing going on too.

 

[harvey19]

20 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

That's already been discussed and you fail to explain how peaceful unarmed Palestinian families can overrule heavily armed battle hardened terrorists.

Someone did point out that you could reverse that argument and ask why, six million Jews didn't offer more resistance to the Germans in the 1940's and put a stop to it.

Surely you don't think that ordinary Palestinian families are the ones who are holding the hostages.   The Palestinians will be as afraid of Hamas as they are of Israel.

Bear in mind that, in situations like this, you usually find that there is also a lot of propaganda and brainwashing.

 

Fully agree and one has to be very wary of any news.

It has not been discussed why the Hamas government has not released the hostages and surrendered in the interests of the civilian population.

The Hamas government represents all of its population like the Tories represent all of the UKs population whether all of the population vote for them or not.

I also fully agree that many civilians will be afraid to oppose their government or terrorists.

Sadly in all wars and conflicts civilians are killed. In one month during ww2 more civilians were killed in the blitz than soldiers at war.

 

[cuttsie]

22 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

That's already been discussed and you fail to explain how peaceful unarmed Palestinian families can overrule heavily armed battle hardened terrorists.

Someone did point out that you could reverse that argument and ask why, six million Jews didn't offer more resistance to the Germans in the 1940's and put a stop to it.

Surely you don't think that ordinary Palestinian families are the ones who are holding the hostages.   The Palestinians will be as afraid of Hamas as they are of Israel.

Bear in mind that, in situations like this, you usually find that there is also a lot of propaganda and brainwashing going on too.

 

Do you really think for one minute that there was no resistance to the Nazi's by the jewish people .

 

Have you never heard about the Warsaw ghetto up rising ,    or the  resistance in the forests of Europe or the VC 's awarded to Jewish soldiers in our ranks ., Inc Jack White or Bob Gee among others . Thousand of Jews in our Army's ,you know English men and Women born and bred here just like Catholics or Protestants . 

You come over more anti semantic by the day despite you  saying that you are not .

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Do you really think for one minute that there was no resistance to the Nazi's by the jewish people .

 

Have you never heard about the Warsaw ghetto up rising ,    or the  resistance in the forests of Europe or the VC 's awarded to Jewish soldiers in our ranks ., Inc Jack White or Bob Gee among others . Thousand of Jews in our Army's ,you know English men and Women born and bred here just like Catholics or Protestants . 

You come over more anti semantic by the day despite you  saying that you are not .

No one said that there was No resistance to the Nazis by Jewish people and I didn't even write that but referred to another post.

Of course I heard of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. There were countless acts of resistance during the war BUT NONE that changed the course of the war and saved those 6 million Jews.

We were not discussing the British army who had people from every single race on earth.

I'm a little tired of being called anti semantic but if you are too stupid to read properly what I've written, then there's nothing I can do about that.

I am not going to tip toe around being afraid to mention Jewish people simply because of anti-Semitism accusations.

You need to accept that people of EVERY race can do wrong and, when they do,  they can be called out.

Try learning to read properly before practising your tap room politics.

 

[Jack Grey]

5 hours ago, Al Bundy said:

As well as ( in my opinion ) of it being a mainly religious issue as with everything, it's becoming a right v left issue.

 

I've no doubt most of the Jewish who are against Netanyahu will be left wing.

 

I think for many in this debate, they view Israel (Jews) as western, white and affluent / privileged. They view Palestinians and wider region (Muslims) as non-western, non-white and not affluent; ergo oppressed, by the west.

 

There's been some interesting points put forward about why people would focus on this issue, such as awareness, the UK governments role / ability to influence. I can see parts of that but don't think it explains the huge inconsistencies in approach. Certainly not for the organisers of the demos and many of the more engaged activists. I still think for them the perpetrator is more important than the victim. 

 

 

I've met a lot of Israelis on my travels and I can tell you that they are very liberal

 

They love life and just want to live in peace and harmony

 

They value democracy, free speech and the right to be who you want to be.

 

However they will defend their country to the death.

 

They are aware of their history and they won't let it happen again.

 

The attack on their country on the 7th October is what happens when they take their eye off the ball for even a second.

 

What happens when you give savages an inch to breath.

 

People don't believe that all Muslim are bad people and that they support what happened in Israel 

 

But people certainly notice the silence that comes from the Muslim community when something like this happens.

 

Yeah they say they don't support it but it's nothing compared to the noise and outrage they make when something happens to them 

[RJRB]

2 hours ago, cuttsie said:

I would like to hear the silence on these pages if the millions of Muslims in the Country's surrounding Israel and hell bent on wiping Jews out cut of the Israeli's water  food and medical supplies .

As said the silence would be deafening , and tha knows it .

What you seem to ignore is that most people on here totally support the establishment of the State of Israel and the protection of its people into the future.

Peace initiatives between some of its neighbours have been reached in the past and some degree of normality enjoyed.

That is enjoyed by those other than fanatics and terrorists.

Much as we would all like to see the back of all of these,it’s not going to happen .

How do you fight suicide bombers and the current blitz satisfies revenge and retribution whilst stoking up future problems.

So in simple terms and accepting that Oct 7th was a Hamas terrorist attack,what do you think will be achieved by the bombing of Gaza.?

The end of Hamas?

 

 

 

 

 

[harvey19]

8 minutes ago, RJRB said:

What you seem to ignore is that most people on here totally support the establishment of the State of Israel and the protection of its people into the future.

Peace initiatives between some of its neighbours have been reached in the past and some degree of normality enjoyed.

That is enjoyed by those other than fanatics and terrorists.

Much as we would all like to see the back of all of these,it’s not going to happen .

How do you fight suicide bombers and the current blitz satisfies revenge and retribution whilst stoking up future problems.

So in simple terms and accepting that Oct 7th was a Hamas terrorist attack,what do you think will be achieved by the bombing of Gaza.?

The end of Hamas?

 

 

 

 

 

Make Hamas realise what their terrorist actions achieve and what will happen if they do the same thing again.

Quite simple.

[RJRB]

Just now, harvey19 said:

Make Hamas realise what their terrorist actions achieve and what will happen if they do the same thing again.

Quite simple.

And you believe that will be the case?

Or might it just create the terrorists of the future?