The Yom Kippur War .

[trastrick]

2 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Surprise, surprise.   after all these weeks I've been complaining,  about the number of innocent Palestinian civilians deaths in Gaza  - 

 

Steve Barclay starts preparing our governments case on how they were concerned about it too.

 

Biden's been backtracking for over a week now that they've realised that most of the world is disgusted and Israel,  USA and UK are more unpopular than ever before.

Not surprising at all, to anybody who is paying attention.

 

To repeat, it's the reality of demographics.

 

In a developing world of some 8 billion people, the minority Western democracies with their elitist, colonial inspired "we know what's best for you", is falling on deaf ears. Western concepts of law, order and social justice are being rejected everywhere in the world, and even within their own polarised and divided countries

 

It is happening with startling rapidity at this time in history as leaderless Western governments are bumbling, bungling and blundering their way to irrelevance, with their ill conceived policies and failed attempts to export their "values" by force, or by bribery.

 

No longer is Communism, Fascism, Religious fanaticism seen as the Enemy of the People, that epithet has been passed on to a new Great Satan. It can be observed in a new tolerance of crime, terrorism and anti-semitism.

 

It's a natural process by Mother Nature, who culls the herd from time to time. Darwinism, raw, in tooth and claw!

 

There is a time for Dinosaurs, and a time for the rodents who can best adapt to the new reality.

 

Hopefully these perfectly natural changes can occur gradually without great upheaval and the ensuing death and destruction.

 

It will still require wise leadership to manage these fundamental changes seamlessly.

 

Or you can speed the process up, by mass importation of folks who don't share your beliefs and values.

 

But if history is any guide.............?

 

😶

 

Here's an anthem or two, to help get you through the changes.

 

From today's generation of real poets and prophets!

 

https://youtu.be/JxvVk-r9ut8

 

https://youtu.be/pKP4cfU28vM

 

https://youtu.be/JRV5LoOMyBk

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by trastrick

[Jack Grey]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

So everybody is capable of virtue signalling including yourself.

And everyone who expresses any sympathy with others  is a virtue signaller.

Right .Got you.

You got me? 🤣

 

Wow you don't set the bar very high do you

 

This is virtue signalling....this is what you should like

 

 

 

 

[RJRB]

@Jack GreyI think you misunderstood Got You,As In I understand you .

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy said:

Thank goodness the likes of you don't make decisions as you would be offering the likes of the Manchester bomber a cream cake before he blew folk to smithereens.

 

Are you suggesting these governments have never successfully thwarted a suicide bomber or managed to eradicate any from the planet?

 

 

Thwarting a bomb attack is very very different from eradicating terrorists and I just keep pointing out that,  despite what Israel says, and despite what you say,

 

You cannot  "get rid"   of terrorists.      If you decide to use your brains,  you can negotiate with them.

 

Are you aware that the Israeli government who you admire so much,  was founded from a terrorists group and that Israel's first Prime Minister was a terrorist himself.

They  "expelled"  the Palestinians and their terrorist activities included blowing up Palestinian families in the night,  including babies and children of course. 

 

47 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

You got me? 🤣

 

Wow you don't set the bar very high do you

 

This is virtue signalling....this is what you should like

 

 

 

 

Back to his kids cartoons again.  No wonder he can't understand what's happening in the middle east.

 

[trastrick]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

You cannot  "get rid"   of terrorists.      If you decide to use your brains,  you can negotiate with them.

There's only one sure way to deal with terrorists, murderers, baby kidnappers, and child rapists.

 

Don't fold to their demands.

 

Get rid of them, or you'll be painting that old Forth Bridge forever!

 

But as you are a  self identified Pacifist, your view does prevail in todays society.

 

But we can disagree, right?  😀

[Al Bundy]

40 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Thwarting a bomb attack is very very different from eradicating terrorists and I just keep pointing out that,  despite what Israel says, and despite what you say,

 

You cannot  "get rid"   of terrorists.      If you decide to use your brains,  you can negotiate with them.

 

Are you aware that the Israeli government who you admire so much,  was founded from a terrorists group and that Israel's first Prime Minister was a terrorist himself.

They  "expelled"  the Palestinians and their terrorist activities included blowing up Palestinian families in the night,  including babies and children of course. 

 

Back to his kids cartoons again.  No wonder he can't understand what's happening in the middle east.

 

Crikey, all those hundreds of peace negotiators, diplomats and highly educated government officials that have been trying for decades and decades needed to chat with the likes of a bird feeding musician from Sheffield. That's where they have gone wrong 

 

If only they had thought of that. Have you thought about offering your services?

 

"Orgys stating the bleeding obvious Ltd"

 

Amazing.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

Crikey, all those hundreds of peace negotiators, diplomats and highly educated government officials that have been trying for decades and decades needed to chat with the likes of a bird feeding musician from Sheffield. That's where they have gone wrong 

 

If only they had thought of that. Have you thought about offering your services?

 

"Orgys stating the bleeding obvious Ltd"

 

Amazing.

NO,  that's not at all where they've gone wrong.

Where they have gone wrong is for the Israeli's to be occupying stolen territories for all these years, stealing homes and farms and killing or jailing and beating Palestinians.

If you want to create terrorists,  just steal somebody's land,  as was proved to us in Northern Ireland.

If you want to stop terrorists,  negotiate a deal or get out of  their land.

Perfectly straight forward but we created the monster and the mess and now,  the monster's out of control,  increasing the mess,  and there not a damn thing we can do about it..

That's because,  as I told you earlier,  we are a shadow of the nation we were,  and if we had to fight a Ukraine type war,  we have enough ammunition for 24 hours.

To think that you could talk of educating somebody.  How laughable  -  you know nothing.

Peace negotiators and diplomats will never be any good until Israel behaves  -  and they won't  -  so the mess will last for ever and you will never kill the terrorists.

The other thing you've forgotten is,  the diplomats are also worrying about OIL ad MONEY  -  The bird feeding musician isn't.          Just watch as I'm proved right.

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Organgrinder

[Al Bundy]

3 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

NO,  that's not at all where they've gone wrong.

Where they have gone wrong is for the Israeli's to be occupying stolen territories for all these years, stealing homes and farms and killing or jailing and beating Palestinians.

If you want to create terrorists,  just steal somebody's land,  as was proved to us in Northern Ireland.

If you want to stop terrorists,  negotiate a deal or get out of  their land.

Perfectly straight forward but we created the monster and the mess and now,  the monster's out of control,  increasing the mess,  and there not a damn thing we can do about it..

That's because,  as I told you earlier,  we are a shadow of the nation we were,  and if we had to fight a Ukraine type war,  we have enough ammunition for 24 hours.

To think that you could talk of educating somebody.  How laughable  -  you know nothing.

Peace negotiators and diplomats will never be any good until Israel behaves  -  and they won't  -  so the mess will last for ever and you will never kill the terrorists.

Just watch as I'm proved right.

 

 

Hardly putting your neck on the line with that prediction are you.

 

Of course it will last forever. Just like religious conflicts have been going ON forever.

[Findlay]

It seems Egypt is taking a back seat in all of this when they could have done much more earlier in the conflict to help save the lives of thousands of Palestinians by completely opening the Rafah boarder point and allowing the people to take temporary shelter and aid there. The bottleneck of aid trucks being allowed in is making the situation worse so allow the people to get to the aid in Egypt.
The New Gaza like Ukraine is going to have to be built with cash from the destructive participants and completely rebuilt with modern infrastructure. This could take a generation to complete so the civilians will have to be housed somewhere for a very long time until they can return.

[Jack Grey]

1 hour ago, Findlay said:

It seems Egypt is taking a back seat in all of this when they could have done much more earlier in the conflict to help save the lives of thousands of Palestinians by completely opening the Rafah boarder point and allowing the people to take temporary shelter and aid there. The bottleneck of aid trucks being allowed in is making the situation worse so allow the people to get to the aid in Egypt.
The New Gaza like Ukraine is going to have to be built with cash from the destructive participants and completely rebuilt with modern infrastructure. This could take a generation to complete so the civilians will have to be housed somewhere for a very long time until they can return.

It's because no one wants the refugees

 

They'll bus them all to Europe