Our Prisons Are Full

[hackey lad]

10 minutes ago, cressida said:

Just had a light bulb moment,  they could build a few prisons.

Make the prisoners build them  .  Would keep them fit and active and maybe they could learn a trade .

[Anna B]

Maybe a spell in the forces learning discipline, self reliance and a can do attitude could be an alternative to prison in some cases, and more useful.

[Jack Grey]

Out of the 80,000 prisoners over 10,000 are foreigners

 

Deport as many as they can 

 

Problem is they'll be back on the next boat to Dover 

[cressida]

14 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

But they would build escape routes!!

Metal grills.

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, Jack Grey said:

Out of the 80,000 prisoners over 10,000 are foreigners

 

Deport as many as they can 

 

Problem is they'll be back on the next boat to Dover 

Perhaps the Government should not have given out 3.06 million visas?

 

As of March 2021, the foreign national prisoners represent approximately 13% of the total prison population in England and Wales.

[Longcol]

14 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Perhaps the Government should not have given out 3.06 million visas?

 

As of March 2021, the foreign national prisoners represent approximately 13% of the total prison population in England and Wales.

And 17% are on remand.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2022/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2022#:~:text=the prison regime.-,1.,stood at 642 (1%).

 

Now if  HMG stopped cutting funds in the justice system then perhaps we could get trials done quicker and free up a few thousand places.

[El Cid]

When we do lock people up, our re-offending rate is between 40-70%, but New Zealand it 20-50% or Germany its 30-40?

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-country

[pintor]

9 hours ago, Longcol said:

And 17% are on remand.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2022/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2022#:~:text=the prison regime.-,1.,stood at 642 (1%).

 

Now if  HMG stopped cutting funds in the justice system then perhaps we could get trials done quicker and free up a few thousand places.

All foreign visitors coming  to these shores should be told if committing a crime of any reason, shoplifting, burglaries,assault etc, they will be deported and not allowed back in, can't claim any benefits etc. Likewise any of our own,who are arrested for fighting should be put in the services, if they want to fight, no questions asked, no expensive court sessions 

Edited October 17, 2023 by pintor

[Anna B]

59 minutes ago, pintor said:

All foreign visitors coming  to these shores should be told if committing a crime of any reason, shoplifting, burglaries,assault etc, they will be deported and not allowed back in, can't claim any benefits etc. Likewise any of our own,who are arrested for fighting should be put in the services, if they want to fight, no questions asked, no expensive court sessions 

Hard not to agree with this. Why it's not already standard practice as it is in many other countries I don't know...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, pintor said:

All foreign visitors coming  to these shores should be told if committing a crime of any reason, shoplifting, burglaries,assault etc, they will be deported and not allowed back in, can't claim any benefits etc. Likewise any of our own,who are arrested for fighting should be put in the services, if they want to fight, no questions asked, no expensive court sessions 

I would agree with this too.

It's also time we decided that all those involved in dealing with crime, justice, punishment etc  all the way down from Ministers, mayors, chief constables and right down to the bottom,

were made to show some results for the very handsome salaries we pay them to do their jobs.

Chief constables for instance, could be given 6 months to better their figures or they go,  and the next one down steps up on the same basis.  There would very soon be improvements.