Proper Sheffielders

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7 hours ago, Delbow said:

You are making the assumption that what you are experiencing is what everyone else is experiencing - it's not. So then you have to decide whether what you are experiencing is somehow more valid or important than what other people are experiencing - you seem to think it is, others don't.

 

 

Much of what cuttsie says is correct and I can fully identify with some of his comments.  Sheffield most certainly has changed over the years but most certainly since the year 2000.

The first thing you need to remember, dependant on your age is that you won't even know what he's talking about unless you experienced it yourself.

Many of the changes apply countrywide and not just to Sheffield and some could be described as inevitable but that doesn't negate his argument.

I remember well,  the Sheffield of the 1940's including  the smogs and smoke blackened buildings but we used to accept the old maxim  "Where there's muck there's money"

and it cannot be denied that the place was a hive of activity with many square miles of factories keeping tens of thousands of men & women in work. Made in England was the trademark to look for.

Our reputation stretched world wide for steel, engineering, tools and cutlery ( my trade ) and, during the 40's 50's and 60's we were unbeatable.  Full employment was taken for granted then. 

We were the nation who showed the world how to do everything and Sheffield played a very large part in that.  Our streets, shops, cinemas, pubs etc were always busy and that's what we miss now.

I believe cuttsie is talking more from the point of view of the working class families of those times and their way of life including people neighbouring and helping each other,

and that also stretched into our social lives and pastimes whether shopping, pubbing & clubbing etc. Most people talked to strangers in the street, on the bus or tram etc and had the sense of belonging.

We didn't all ride to work alone in a tin box as people do now and we didn't just walk from our front door to the car and back.  When we were out,  we actually mixed and interacted with other people.

We oldies do understand that change is a part of life and often can't be avoided but that alone doesn't make it good  In the same way as losing your parents, siblings and even children is not good,

Despite knowing that change is a part of life, it doesn't make it easier to deal with as everything waves goodbye and departs. to be replaced by the latest trend which usually brings nothing but trouble with it.

For those who still love the Sheffield of today,  that's great for you but it doesn't take away from the sheer amount of good things which have gone for ever from an oldies life. 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Organgrinder

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33 minutes ago, cressida said:

Who makes the international laws that we have to abide by,  are they elected,  they are responsible for forcing countries to take in immigrants who are not asylum seekers but pretend to be,  I saw the post of one bloke who was reported to be wearing a t-shirt which said native Brits should go to Pakistan the UK is ours - it was laughed off,  but after reading about Lampedusa?

The governments of the world,  including ours,   get together and formulate all these rules and laws and the people often take little notice until something happens that they don't like.

A good example was when we joined the common market,  mostly a very good move but,  as our leaders signed up to more and more conditions without asking us first,  we were soon bound hand and foot.

People should be VERY interested in politics.

 

[cressida]

1 minute ago, Organgrinder said:

The governments of the world,  including ours,   get together and formulate all these rules and laws and the people often take little notice until something happens that they don't like.

A good example was when we joined the common market,  mostly a very good move but,  as our leaders signed up to more and more conditions without asking us first,  we were soon bound hand and foot.

People should be VERY interested in politics.

 

Thanks for explaining that,  I've often wondered,  we are 'roped in' by some of the governments we end up with to our detriment.

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2 minutes ago, cressida said:

Thanks for explaining that,  I've often wondered,  we are 'roped in' by some of the governments we end up with to our detriment.

Just think of the many times that government ministers attend "summits",  "G8 meetings"  and similar without ever telling us what their intentions are or explaining what they agreed to when they return.

Just in the same way they sell off the  "national furniture"  as if it belongs to them,  when it's the property of the people of this country who paid for it in the first place.

By not watching them and calling them out, we get exactly what we deserve and end up with nothing whilst they fill their collective pockets.

 

[retep]

12 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Just think of the many times that government ministers attend "summits",  "G8 meetings"  and similar without ever telling us what their intentions are or explaining what they agreed to when they return.

Just in the same way they sell off the  "national furniture"  as if it belongs to them,  when it's the property of the people of this country who paid for it in the first place.

By not watching them and calling them out, we get exactly what we deserve and end up with nothing whilst they fill their collective pockets.

 

Britain and Europe: The Culture of Deceit

Christopher Booker

https://www.brugesgroup.com/media-centre/papers/8-papers/899-britain-and-europe-the-culture-of-deceit

 

long read.

[cressida]

14 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Just think of the many times that government ministers attend "summits",  "G8 meetings"  and similar without ever telling us what their intentions are or explaining what they agreed to when they return.

Just in the same way they sell off the  "national furniture"  as if it belongs to them,  when it's the property of the people of this country who paid for it in the first place.

By not watching them and calling them out, we get exactly what we deserve and end up with nothing whilst they fill their collective pockets.

 

I can't believe it,  these are the governments people have to keep changing because they aren't effective,  and they decide,   well if they weren't so ineffective they could have the job of sorting out who are legal asylum seekers and who aren't - and perhaps give safe passage to women and children so they are not pushed aside.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, retep said:

Britain and Europe: The Culture of Deceit

Christopher Booker

https://www.brugesgroup.com/media-centre/papers/8-papers/899-britain-and-europe-the-culture-of-deceit

 

long read.

Thanks for that retep   -   a very interesting read and our "culture of deceit" is very much what I was pointing out.

 

[Al Bundy]

4 hours ago, Delbow said:

Bring Back Bald Bonces Bashing Blacks, Bellows Bundy.

 

Anyone?

[Mkapaka]

I can understand some of the OPs points - I would imagine an 80 year old in 1960 was probably saying the same thing back in the 1920s.

 

Everybody likes a bit of rose tinted nostalgia.

 

 

[Jack Grey]

Nelson Mandela looked at South Africa with rose tinted glasses

 

He didn't like what his country had become so he fought to put it back to the way it should be

 

And he's regarded as a hero 

 

If he was white he'd be called a nationalist, racist and right wing