Working 70 Hours?

[cressida]

12 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

I wasn't talking about you 🙂

Thanks.

Edited November 4, 2023 by cressida

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

So I'm an alcoholic and now I don't work either?

 

You really are ridiculous

 

I bet when people have the choice to walk way from you.....they do 

Don't take up gambling,  you sound as bad at that as you are at everything else.

 

[Cody's Granddad]

I'm all for people working for a living I have done all my life but 70 hours a week is exploitation in itself unless you choose to.

I'm winding down after working 60 hr weeks for donkeys years and I didn't choose it.

I'm working a steady 20 hrs now waiting to pack it all in around 19 months from now

[Anna B]

Whatever happened to Life /work balance?

[spilldig]

On 03/11/2023 at 18:35, Organgrinder said:

In comparison to who ?

Workers should be paid a living wage for a 40 hour week and there should be NO zero hour contracts.

If those 2 conditions are not met,  then the workers are being exploited. 

 

Totally agree on that. I do wonder though how many 40 hour per week jobs there are these days?  40 hours was the norm, all my working life from leaving school and starting work at 15 until I retired at 65 if I average it out the basic working week without overtime comes out at 40hours.  I also wonder how the heck the government can base any minimum amount on one hour? I mean, are they saying that £400 + is a minimum, or about £200 per week for 20 hours is enough,  or £10 for one hour is enough.? A minimum wage should be based on a weekly footing.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, spilldig said:

Totally agree on that. I do wonder though how many 40 hour per week jobs there are these days?  40 hours was the norm, all my working life from leaving school and starting work at 15 until I retired at 65 if I average it out the basic working week without overtime comes out at 40hours.  I also wonder how the heck the government can base any minimum amount on one hour? I mean, are they saying that £400 + is a minimum, or about £200 per week for 20 hours is enough,  or £10 for one hour is enough.? A minimum wage should be based on a weekly footing.

You are quite right with that.  I don't remember when the 40 hour week was introduced but when I started work,  the working week was 48 hours unless I'm mistaken

4 hours of that was Saturday morning work which in those days was compulsory for most workers. We also didn't get many holidays too and everyone worked on New Years day, hangover or not.

I remember 44 hour working and then,  when the 40 hour week was introduced,  we thought we had a lot of leisure although a lot off workers worked overtime in the week.

Working on Saturday then brought time and a half money and Sundays was double time.   I personally, was quite content with our work improvements in those days,  but they seem to have gone backwards again since.

 

 

[Padders]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

You are quite right with that.  I don't remember when the 40 hour week was introduced but when I started work,  the working week was 48 hours unless I'm mistaken

4 hours of that was Saturday morning work which in those days was compulsory for most workers. We also didn't get many holidays too and everyone worked on New Years day, hangover or not.

I remember 44 hour working and then,  when the 40 hour week was introduced,  we thought we had a lot of leisure although a lot off workers worked overtime in the week.

Working on Saturday then brought time and a half money and Sundays was double time.   I personally, was quite content with our work improvements in those days,  but they seem to have gone backwards again since.

 

 

Remember the "Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist's"  Mr. Grinder.

Thank heavens for Socialism.

[Anna B]

4 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

You are quite right with that.  I don't remember when the 40 hour week was introduced but when I started work,  the working week was 48 hours unless I'm mistaken

4 hours of that was Saturday morning work which in those days was compulsory for most workers. We also didn't get many holidays too and everyone worked on New Years day, hangover or not.

I remember 44 hour working and then,  when the 40 hour week was introduced,  we thought we had a lot of leisure although a lot off workers worked overtime in the week.

Working on Saturday then brought time and a half money and Sundays was double time.   I personally, was quite content with our work improvements in those days,  but they seem to have gone backwards again since.

I agree.

 

With the demise of the Unions, employers have been able to exploit their workers and roll back the many advances previously made in the rush for greater profits. This seems to be particularly prevalent at the bottom end of the market where workers are treated more like slaves in some instances.

 

0 hours, temporary contracts, shift manipulation and insecurity etc is common at this level, and Union membership actively discouraged, leaving workers with nowhere to turn in cases of abuse (of which there are many.) That's why the turnover of staff is rapid and constant. Workers are not valued, they are  dispensable and easily replaced.

 

Once in this cycle of insecure working it's very difficult to get out of.

 

[El Cid]

9 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

With the demise of the Unions, employers have been able to exploit their workers and roll back the many advances previously made in the rush for greater profits. This seems to be particularly prevalent at the bottom end of the market where workers are treated more like slaves in some instances.

 

0 hours, temporary contracts, shift manipulation and insecurity etc is common at this level, and Union membership actively discouraged, leaving workers with nowhere to turn in cases of abuse (of which there are many.) That's why the turnover of staff is rapid and constant. Workers are not valued, they are  dispensable and easily replaced.

But since COVID there has been a shortage of workers, so they have the upper hand.

Most could give up their regular job and find work 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Padders said:

Remember the "Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist's"  Mr. Grinder.

Thank heavens for Socialism.

I never actually read Tressell's  work   -    Probably too busy working, 

But yes,  thank God for socialism which slowly brought an end to that  exploitation of the poor working classes.

Another more modern work which  references those days was Peaky Blinders,  which similarly showed how some men who returned from the trenches of WW1, were not content to be used any longer. 

After all those strides forwards,  it would seem that the massive multi billion companies have put it in reverse again with the help of conniving governments.

I find it so sad that I can't bring  myself to vote for a Labour Party led by a pocket filling anti-socialist such as Starmer and so I expect it to get worse still.

The socialists are leaving it too long to fight back so I shall never see them achieve success again.

I fully agree with Anna's posts too,  as I often do when she speaks of those at the bottom and how they are exploited. for the God money.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Organgrinder