David Cameron

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

   Is your "... good memory of the truth at the time " seriously based on "Government sources (who) say Ed Miliband is a ‘copper-bottomed s***’ who ‘changed his mind’ on Syria". A spin aimed at covering the fact that 39 Government(30 Tory and 9 Liberal Democrat) MP's voted against the government motion with many more not voting.  If Cameron had been able to lead his own Party at all adequately he would have had a clear majority.

   The reference for your "... good memory of the truth at the time " appeared in Russian owned media.

   The Russian owner was made a Lord  by Boris Johnson. 

Poor old Axe has a very selective memory at times.     Remembers all the good things about the Tories and,  all the bad things about Labour.     That's your lot I'm afraid.

 

[Axe]

29 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

   Is your "... good memory of the truth at the time " seriously based on "Government sources (who) say Ed Miliband is a ‘copper-bottomed s***’ who ‘changed his mind’ on Syria". A spin aimed at covering the fact that 39 Government(30 Tory and 9 Liberal Democrat) MP's voted against the government motion with many more not voting.  If Cameron had been able to lead his own Party at all adequately he would have had a clear majority.

   The reference for your "... good memory of the truth at the time " appeared in Russian owned media.

   The Russian owner was made a Lord  by Boris Johnson. 

David Cameron never had a majority in parliament until after the 2015 general election which is why he had private  talks will the Labour party leader in 2013 to get support for military action against Assad.  It is a historic fact that Ed  Milliband changed his mind at the last minute before a parliament vote and withdraw his support.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Axe

[despritdan]

I couldn't care less whether Cameron becomes the Foreign Secretary or not because the Tories are living on borrowed time and whoever they chose would just be another member of a party whose main raison d'etre is widening the gap between the richest and the poorest. As I've pointed out before, they've been doing this for decades by manipulating the tax system; decreasing income tax which is the fairest type of taxation because it's progressive whilst increasing indirect taxation which is the unfairest form because it's regressive. When Thatcher came to power, income tax was 33% whilst VAT was 8% which was much fairer than now when they're both at 20%. They get away with it because very few people seem to understand the difference between direct and indirect taxation and the impact it has on different income groups, so it never gets mentioned.

People on here prefer to squabble over trivia such as what Cameron did at college or what sort of jacket Michael Foot once wore to focussing on the main weapon the Tories have been using to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. It never gets mentioned by members of the Labour Party on debates I've listened to and nobody from that party has promised to reverse those changes if they come into power, so it seems we'll continue to have an unfair tax system whoever wins the next election and it will continue to slip under the radar.

[Annie Bynnol]

12 minutes ago, Axe said:

David Cameron never had a majority in parliament until after the 2015 general election which is why he had private  talks will the Labour party leader in 2013 to get support for military action against Assad.  It is a historic fact that David Milliband changed his mind at the last minute before a parliament vote and withdraw his support.

Irrelevant as it applies to all legislation voted on during the coalition.

Thirty Tory MP's voted against Cameron - and the motion was lost by 13 votes.

If those thirty Tory MP's voted as they were told to, for Cameron - he won by 47 votes.

It was his failure to lead the Tory MP's. 

[Axe]

8 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Irrelevant as it applies to all legislation voted on during the coalition.

Thirty Tory MP's voted against Cameron - and the motion was lost by 13 votes.

If those thirty Tory MP's voted as they were told to, for Cameron - he won by 47 votes.

It was his failure to lead the Tory MP's. 

It is not irrelevant.  In times when the government of the day are considering getting involved in military action the prime minister privately discusses the matter with the leader of the opposition to seek support.  Ed Milliband originally supported military action and then changed his mind which put David Cameron in an awkward situation because he will have informed President Obama the UK would support the USA.   Similarly today Rishi Sunak will privately have discussed the Israel situation with Keir Starmer and the Labour leader will have agreed to support the UK government's position regarding not calling for a cease fire. 

[hauxwell]

4 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Yes you are twice wrong.

Foot was described as wearing a donkey jacket -he was not.

Corbyn was wearing  a grey M&S jacket admitted the Daily Mail in their 2018 story.

Corbyn’s  M&S jacket stood out. It looked as though it had seen better days. 

 

 

[Mister M]

4 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Yes you are twice wrong.

Foot was described as wearing a donkey jacket -he was not.

Corbyn was wearing  a grey M&S jacket admitted the Daily Mail in their 2018 story.

It turned out the supposed donkey jacket was a Jaeger overcoat his wife bought him from Harrods.

Still, if that had been printed, the tabloid mob would've accused him of being a 'champagne socialist', and asked why he wasn't wearing a donkey jacket instead 

20 minutes ago, hauxwell said:

Corbyn’s  M&S jacket stood out. It looked as though it had seen better days. 

 

 

I seem to recall that Corbyn was criticised for not bowing his head at an acceptably low standard according to some of the press during his one of his attendances at the Cenotaph.

IIRC it was the same year that the BBC 'accidentally' showed footage of Boris Johnson at the previous years Cenotaph Memorial, when on the year in question he looked 'hungover'.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Mister M

[hauxwell]

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

It turned out the supposed donkey jacket was a Jaeger overcoat his wife bought him from Harrods.

Still, if that had been printed, the tabloid mob would've accused him of being a 'champagne socialist', and asked why he wasn't wearing a donkey jacket instead 

I seem to recall that Corbyn was criticised for not bowing his head at an acceptably low standard according to some of the press during his one of his attendances at the Cenotaph.

IIRC it was the same year that the BBC 'accidentally' showed footage of Boris Johnson at the previous years Cenotaph Memorial, when on the year in question he looked 'hungover'.

Can’t remember the story of Corbyn not bowing his head. I can remember him being criticised for not wearing a poppy at the Cenotaph, turned out he was wearing a tiny little one, underneath his M&S coat.

[Annie Bynnol]

4 hours ago, Axe said:

It is not irrelevant.  In times when the government of the day are considering getting involved in military action the prime minister privately discusses the matter with the leader of the opposition to seek support.  Ed Milliband originally supported military action and then changed his mind which put David Cameron in an awkward situation because he will have informed President Obama the UK would support the USA.   Similarly today Rishi Sunak will privately have discussed the Israel situation with Keir Starmer and the Labour leader will have agreed to support the UK government's position regarding not calling for a cease fire.  

  This thread is about the suitability and track record of Lord Cameron. He failed to persuade his own Tory MP's to provide him with a majority for his policy(unlike Theresa May over the same issue a few years later). 

   Knowing  that he could not persuade his own party to give him a majority, Lord Cameron caved in and his advisors went to work to save his political neck by blaming Miliband.

 

 

[gaz 786]

On 13/11/2023 at 21:53, Mister Gee said:

I haven’t but I’ve always had you down for a 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by gaz 786
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