Why Is Sheffield So Far Behind Many Other Uk Cities?

[Tipstaff]

I wouldn't think that Sheffield is behind many places with regards to museums and parks?  I would agree that the public toilet issue is definitely one for debate though.  As for SCC, it's probably no different from any other large council.  It will have to its credit,  many dedicated and hard-working teams and individuals, as well as its fair share of shirkers and malingerers.

[HeHasRisen]

Just now, Tipstaff said:

As for SCC, it's probably no different from any other large council.

Exactly, there will be people in Leeds saying Leeds Council is the worst council in the world. People in Nottingham saying Nottingham Council is the worst in the world. And so on and so forth. 

Everyone likes slagging off their local local authority, and lets be honest the average person has no idea about what others do.

[ECCOnoob]

30 minutes ago, Tipstaff said:

I wouldn't think that Sheffield is behind many places with regards to museums and parks?  I would agree that the public toilet issue is definitely one for debate though.  As for SCC, it's probably no different from any other large council.  It will have to its credit,  many dedicated and hard-working teams and individuals, as well as its fair share of shirkers and malingerers.

Why is it?   Do we really have such a dearth of  council run public toilets on the streets compared to other places?

 

It has been debated many times and half of those the arguements are nonsense.  If people need toilets while they are out and about for legitimate reasons in the city, they will have access to them. The two remaining department stores both have public toilets. The council buildings have public toilets. The theatres, galleries, cinemas, library, food courts, leisure venues , bars, restaurants, hotels, offices, bus station, train stations, health clinics, universities all have toilets for those who are in there to freely use.  

 

What exactly is the shortage? 

Edited November 15, 2023 by ECCOnoob

[Planner1]

2 hours ago, bassett one said:

a change of council will sort it out and investment will come

I don’t recall it being any different when the Lib Dems had two stints in charge, so what do you base that expectation on?

[Tipstaff]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Why is it?   Do we really have such a dearth of  council run public toilets on the streets compared to other places?

 

It has been debated many times and half of those the arguements are nonsense.  If people need toilets while they are out and about for legitimate reasons in the city, they will have access to them. The two remaining department stores both have public toilets. The council buildings have public toilets. The theatres, galleries, cinemas, library, food courts, leisure venues , bars, restaurants, hotels, offices, bus station, train stations, health clinics, universities all have toilets for those who are in there to freely use.  

 

What exactly is the shortage? 

Just to be clear, this is during night-time especially, for those 'masses' of people who drink in licensed premises and pee in shop doorways or in gardens on their way home or awaiting taxis between the hours of 11pm and 4am?   What about street drinkers / homeless people where do they 'go' ?  

[HeHasRisen]

10 minutes ago, Tipstaff said:

Just to be clear, this is during night-time especially, for those 'masses' of people who drink in licensed premises and pee in shop doorways or in gardens on their way home or awaiting taxis between the hours of 11pm and 4am?   What about street drinkers / homeless people where do they 'go' ?  

You mean the masses of people who just minutes before have been inside a licensed premises with toilets?

 

They would still pee in the street if there were public toilets or not.

[*_ash_*]

Now, I'm not sure now that it is behind. I think the whole country is behind. I just watched a youtuber wendall or windall (was recommended) showing Grimbsy and Cleethorpes and some other places. Basically, Britain is a dump. It's totally behind the times, just like USA. 

 

So many reasons, so many problems, not sure the current system will fix it, just 2 opposing parties neither of which do anything. 

 

I'm currently in one of the poorest provinces (this is my place) in China, and it's leagues ahead of Britain. 

The main thing I think is right here, is rental prices are so low. I mean practically nothing, including shops. I chat to people here who run shops and ask them questions (because I can't see how they make any money) and basically rent is so cheap, that they only have to have a few customers and they can get by. 

Electricity is incredibly cheap, rent is cheap, transport is cheap (my electric scooter is £1 per day, and even then, someone said why not buy one they're only 900rmb (about £96)), and you charge it by plugging into the wall, not some over-complex crap that britain is trying to do. 

And there's a high speed train to bring tourists into the area. 

 

Honestly, UK media makes this place out to be bad, but I couldn't be happier. Everything is fair, no crime at all. No druggies. 

And my local pub (which to be honest is mainly westerners because it's too expense for many locals (and they aren't really beer drinkers, is £1 a pint)

 

Britain needs to get this rent business sorted. Build nice tower blocks, and cheap rents. Get these uncompetitive wages down so we can start making things again, and still have money to spare to go and buy stuff. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by *_ash_*
clarity, they don't drink much beer where i am

[Delbow]

17 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Now, I'm not sure now that it is behind. I think the whole country is behind. I just watched a youtuber wendall or windall (was recommended) showing Grimbsy and Cleethorpes and some other places. Basically, Britain is a dump. It's totally behind the times, just like USA. 

 

So many reasons, so many problems, not sure the current system will fix it, just 2 opposing parties neither of which do anything. 

 

I'm currently in one of the poorest provinces (this is my place) in China, and it's leagues ahead of Britain. 

The main thing I think is right here, is rental prices are so low. I mean practically nothing, including shops. I chat to people here who run shops and ask them questions (because I can't see how they make any money) and basically rent is so cheap, that they only have to have a few customers and they can get by. 

Electricity is incredibly cheap, rent is cheap, transport is cheap (my electric scooter is £1 per day, and even then, someone said why not buy one they're only 900rmb (about £96)), and you charge it by plugging into the wall, not some over-complex crap that britain is trying to do. 

And there's a high speed train to bring tourists into the area. 

 

Honestly, UK media makes this place out to be bad, but I couldn't be happier. Everything is fair, no crime at all. No druggies. 

And my local pub (which to be honest is mainly westerners because it's too expense for many locals (and they aren't really beer drinkers, is £1 a pint)

 

Britain needs to get this rent business sorted. Build nice tower blocks, and cheap rents. Get these uncompetitive wages down so we can start making things again, and still have money to spare to go and buy stuff. 

Are the rents capped there? Many people think that one of the problems holding the UK back is the prevalence of rentier capitalism which sucks large amounts out of the economy for the benefit of a small number of people who own the assets. 

[gaz 786]

Don't forget the 100s of poor immigrants who need their benefits at page Hall to go to betting shops and Danny's beers for some tinnies bless them it's only what they're entitled too !

[Longcol]

11 hours ago, echo beach said:

Somewhat geographically isolated being at the very south of Yorkshire. Leeds is more centrally placed and is seen more as a commercial hub. Historically  reliant on heavy industry, coal and particularly steel, both of which have been decimated.

Seen by the Tories as a hotbed of socialism and therefore not given the support of some other major cities to replace what has been lost.

 

echo.

Very much so- we're not part of  a big conurbation like West Yorkshire,, West Midlands, Greater Manchester, Merseydside, Tyne & Wear etc. Not a county "town" like Nottingham, Derby, Leicester etc or a regional centre such as Bristol, Southampton  or even Norwich.