Why Is Sheffield So Far Behind Many Other Uk Cities?

[Anna B]

4 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Then why even mention it - although I do acknowledge that even you accept it is a crazy idea?

There's nothing crazy about the idea. It's the lack of money and the disruption that will stop it happening. But then you can apply that to anything. 

[RollingJ]

Just now, Anna B said:

There's nothing crazy about the idea. It's the lack of money and the disruption that will stop it happening. But then you can apply that to anything. 

Italicised bit - there's lots crazy about it.

 

Emboldened bit - exactly.

[Anna B]

20 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Italicised bit - there's lots crazy about it.

 

Emboldened bit - exactly.

Are you suggesting that the council give a fig about disruption?

They certainly didn't care when they built the original tram network.

Edited February 12 by Anna B

[RollingJ]

Just now, Anna B said:

Are you suggesting that the council ive a fig about disruption?

They certainly didn't care when they built the original tram network.

Slow to learn as they are, they are learning, but the 'proposal' above is impractical anyway, and they know it.

[Planner1]

4 hours ago, Anna B said:

Are you suggesting that the council give a fig about disruption?

They certainly didn't care when they built the original tram network.

The council didn’t build the tram network. It was the PTE. A completely different organisation

[RollingJ]

7 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The council didn’t build the tram network. It was the PTE. A completely different organisation

But, to be a little pedantic, the City Council must have agreed the plan?

[Findlay]

My retired parents walk half a mile to the tram stop regularly.
Outer areas would use trams if bicycles were allowed to park or be racked on trams

 

[Planner1]

2 hours ago, RollingJ said:

But, to be a little pedantic, the City Council must have agreed the plan?

Yes, they are the highway authority so need to approve any work in the highway, same as for any proposals which involve that.

 

Installing a tram system in an urban environment will entail a lot of disruption.
 

Construction methods have evolved since Supertram was built to try to reduce this, but, as we have seen elsewhere like in Edinburgh and Nottingham, it still causes significant disruption. It’s something you have to factor into decision making and stakeholder engagement and be open about.

 

Tram systems are still seen as being worth the disruption and effort though.

[Planner1]

2 hours ago, Findlay said:

My retired parents walk half a mile to the tram stop regularly.
Outer areas would use trams if bicycles were allowed to park or be racked on trams

 

Yeah some will walk further, others won’t or can’t. It’s a rule of thumb. 
 

People planning mass transit systems do look closely at how far people will have to walk to get to stops as it directly affects the business case and benefits calculations.

 

Cycle facilities would be considered a lot more now than they might have in the past when our tram system was designed and built. The issue of taking cycles on our trams  has been looked at in recent years I believe, but they decided against it.

 

Where is the pic?

[RollingJ]

9 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

 

Tram systems are still seen as being worth the disruption and effort though.

By whom? Although the Sheffield one doesn't appear (from my observations) to cause significant problems in operation, they are restricted on where they go, and, as you should know, quite expensive to construct and maintain.