RollingJ Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Jack Grey said: Because it's a tax on the driver who has already been taxed to the hilt OR - the figures they are quoting are 'suspect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Ritus Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, ads36 said: pre-industrial levels of CO2 were about 280ppm, it's now over 420 and climbing. that's an increase of 140 as a percentage increase, that's exactly 50% but what has this got to do with The Sheffield CAZ? so how are you claiming ? I haven't claimed anything accept the council are bragging about the success of their scheme without substantiating it by showing reduced pollution figures and I can't find any historical data for pm10 , pm2.5 and NOx for the last few years to prove one way or another. You do have to prove change otherwise consider it's still the same. Did find a site that showed Attercliffe has a pollution score of 1 to day and city centre is 2, which is odd as all the polluting vehicles will be going that way to avoid the CAZ charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: Because it's a tax on the driver who has already been taxed to the hilt there's no charge for personal / newish commercial vehicles. our VED is £30/year. fuel duty has been kept static for over a decade* - in fact, petrol is more or less exactly the same price as it was a decade ago, allowing for inflation, it's *much* cheaper. tell me again about these excessive taxes? (*and i'll believe that fuel is expensive when i see *anyone* driving like they aren't getting paid to burn as much as possible) Edited December 12, 2023 by ads36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Ritus Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Not sure what you are saying, I haven't got a newish van but a quick google, https://www.autotrader.co.uk/vans/content/everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-to-tax-a-van £320 a year VED? plus all the other taxexs that have to be paid running one, especially if it's down for personal use as well. Why are you bringing new vehicle into this anyway ? this thread is about older vehicles (pre 2016) that are euro 5 so have to pay, newer euro 6 don't. Most people I know getting stung are older campervans and self employed people not earning great amounts so can only afford/ justify an older second hand vehicle. They are getting stung when they forget to drive around avoiding the ringroad (further and more congested roads so making more NO2). I agree about peoples driving habits, accelerating and braking hard, thats why any environmental tax should really only be on the fuel, although thats a CO2 issue rather than NO2 which is what the CAZ is supposed to be about. It would also cover badly maintained and "chipped" diesels, puthering clouds of black smoke when floored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Arthur Ritus said: Why are you bringing new vehicle into this anyway ? i definitely didn't. 5 minutes ago, Arthur Ritus said: this thread is about older vehicles no, this thread is about CO2, it's in the title. i was responding to someone complaining about taxes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 11:11, Arthur Ritus said: I haven't claimed anything accept the council are bragging about the success of their scheme without substantiating it by showing reduced pollution figures and I can't find any historical data for pm10 , pm2.5 and NOx for the last few years to prove one way or another. You do have to prove change otherwise consider it's still the same. Did find a site that showed Attercliffe has a pollution score of 1 to day and city centre is 2, which is odd as all the polluting vehicles will be going that way to avoid the CAZ charge. If you look on this page, there’s a link on the right hand side to diffusion tube results 2003 to 2021. Those monitor nitrogen dioxide. As described on that page, DEFRA have monitoring sites in Sheffield and their historic data can be accessed here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogets Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Too many cars on the road, they need to do something to get some cars off the roads I ma sick of being in traffic jams when driving around On 12/12/2023 at 09:28, Steelmonger said: 11/12/23 the Sheffield council reported a higher percentage of electric vehicles in the low emission zones around Sheffield ,the two points they missed out on in this report was if you have less diesel and petrol vehicles around the city centre the percentage of electric vehicles will be higher, ,they also failed to report the most important fact and that is the overall air pollution around the city centre has not gone down one iota Edit Delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, rogets said: Too many cars on the road, they need to do something to get some cars off the roads Invest in decent public transport infrastructure. Not just more smelly buses either. Obviously, the likelihood of that happening outside of London is miniscule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, geared said: Invest in decent public transport infrastructure. Not just more smelly buses either. Obviously, the likelihood of that happening outside of London is miniscule. What then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 56 minutes ago, rogets said: Too many cars on the road, they need to do something to get some cars off the roads Reduce the population Why should we have to sacrifice our lifestyles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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