You Can Now Do A Gcse In Sign Language

[Mister M]

8 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

More and more stuff these days is pure virtue signalling, done for what it looks like rather than how well it actually works  (particularly relative to what it costs)......

PrettyboyTom's answer sums it up "Rejoice"

Is that the motivation for learning a language, how it looks to others? Personally good on someone taking the time to learn a new language, it certainly takes time and effort. But I doubt that someone would expend huge amounts of energy learning BSL, if they wanted to impress others. Surely they'd just get a bigger car

[Delbow]

37 minutes ago, alan p said:

Have you ever tried to follow the subtitles? They are a waste of time. I also had many scraps with people taking the micky out of deaf people. 

It's not commonly known, but people who have grown up using sign language in a Deaf household have English as a second language. BSL has a very different grammar and structure to English, so some people who are fluent in BSL are not fluent in written English

[Mkapaka]

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

am not telling anyone what to do or how do, I am simply asking questioning a policy

I wouldn’t say questioning- you have already  made your mind up and are looking for affirmation from others.

 

Why don’t you just say what your real issue with it is?

[Guest]

This is parody now, right?

[ECCOnoob]

3 hours ago, Chekhov said:

British Sign Language to be introduced as GCSE in England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-67772338

 

But how many people will take the GCSE ?

How many will actually ever use it (and I mean use it regularly enough so they don't just forget it) ?

And, in an age when fewer and fewer people are taking foreign languages, why are they introducing another ?

But at least this all make us feel good about ourselves, we all live in a society where they teach kids sign language at school.

 

Approx 85,000 deaf people use sign language in this country, 1 in 765, which is about 500 in Sheffield.

Calm down, you silly hysterical tool.

 

Like most GCSE subjects, they are giving people the option to study it - not forcing kids at gunpoint.  Given deaf people are going nowhere, it is hardly an outrageous thing  for those who want to study it.  It  forms part of modern language just as much as any other. 

 

How many people who take the film studies at GCSE go on to be a director?   How many people who take the astronomy at GCSE turn into Brian Cox?  How many people who take physical education at GCSE become a world famous football player? 

 

You talking nonsense. Its about giving people the well-rounded basic education as a starting point with some more specialist personal choices in the latter years. They then go on form that basic education to then develop their careers and what other direction they choose.   To some a study of BSL may be a great boost for that and possibly fsr more practical than trying to remember pigeon French and Spanish from 10-20 years prior. 

 

Its how it's always been.  Like everything else the curriculum evolves.  

 

You really need to seek professional help. Its cringe making seeing a supposed grown adult constantly having hissy fits every time there's some minor trivial change to society.

Edited December 21, 2023 by ECCOnoob

[hackey lad]

46 minutes ago, Delbow said:

It's not commonly known, but people who have grown up using sign language in a Deaf household have English as a second language. BSL has a very different grammar and structure to English, so some people who are fluent in BSL are not fluent in written English

[ECCOnoob]

42 minutes ago, Mkapaka said:

I wouldn’t say questioning- you have already  made your mind up and are looking for affirmation from others.

 

Why don’t you just say what your real issue with it is?

He won't. It's just another lame excuse for a ranty ranty thread about society being soft, pandering to the minority, wokeness....

 

....I am right, everyone else is wrong,  the world is going stupid blah blah.

 

....Why should everyone adjust for deaf people when the majority can hear perfectly well blah blah. 

 

...I can cope with subtitles perfectly well I don't know what their problem is blah blah .

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by ECCOnoob

[Chekhov]

1 hour ago, Mister M said:

Is that the motivation for learning a language, how it looks to others? Personally good on someone taking the time to learn a new language, it certainly takes time and effort. But I doubt that someone would expend huge amounts of energy learning BSL, if they wanted to impress others. Surely they'd just get a bigger car

It's not the not the kids virtue signalling, it's the government.

 

1 hour ago, Mkapaka said:

I wouldn’t say questioning- you have already  made your mind up and are looking for affirmation from others.

Why don’t you just say what your real issue with it is?

O already have done, I think it's virtue signalling, which is what drives most of what the government does...

 

>>are looking for affirmation from others.<<

 

Not entirely. The fact we have been reminded it is optional for instance, though I still cannot really see the point of it for the reasons I have already given.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Chekhov

[Chekhov]

 

37 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

 society being soft, pandering to the minority, wokeness....

It is, there is no doubt about it.

Need I remind you what they did, for the first time in history, for Covid (a virus 99% pf people were surviving and with an average age of death in the early 80s) ?

And banning smoking (BTW I do not smoke).

And requiring traffic lights for road works taking up no more room than a legally parked car.

And parents should be banned from videoing their own children racing  in galas (you, BTW, do not have a child who swims, in fact do you have kids at all ? ).

Etc etc etc

You are in favour of all this kind of cobblers because you are a risk averse virtue signalling authoritarian.

 

53 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Its cringe making seeing a supposed grown adult constantly having hissy fits every time there's some minor trivial change to society.

"Minor trivial changes to society" ?

See above.

 

Personally I think it's deeply worrying that supposedly gown up adults are in favour of other grown up adults being restricted and regulated overjust about everything.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Chekhov

[Annie Bynnol]

3 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

We use them regularly when the people on the box have odd accents and you cannot understand half of what they're saying, the Yorkshire accent being the worst, obviously. Or if I am watching Bangers &Cash but my lad is trying to sleep in the room above, I have the sound on really low and the subtitles.

More and more programmes these days do not have clear speech, it's trendy production techniques probably, just like when they keep swapping about from scene to scene at warp speed.

I find subtitles work pretty well.

    BSL is a language it is not an alphabet, it is the first language of 87 000 people in the UK. It has its own grammar, vocabulary and sentence structure.

    Subtitles is a text - live or recorded and edited. 

    If you are having difficulty understanding what other people say, and use an aid like subtitles, surely you must accept the the use of BSL.

    How many BSL signed programmes do you watch a day? If it bothers you can get a telly with a zoom or screen size feature that edits outs the offending signer.