Guest Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 24 minutes ago, Axe said: Rightly so. But I doubt Alex Chalk is looking at ways to allow guilty Postmasters to cash in. Why not because it should be Fujitsu who pay the compensation as their wonderful Horizon program was totally responsible for all the grief. Of course the CEO of Fujitsu just happens to be a government minister's husband so the tories won't like that solution either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Axe said: The convictions are easy to prove but it is less easy to prove that every conviction is a miscarriage of justice. Since Horizon is no longer trusted, all cases linked to Horizon need to be quashed, whether they are innocent or guilty. Edited January 8 by El Cid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 minutes ago, El Cid said: Since Horizon is no longer trusted, all cases linked to Horizon need to be quashed, whether they are innocent or guilty. Fair comment. But the new ones coming forward are doing so because they want to be given a large amount of money and are jumping on the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfifes Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Axe said: Fair comment. But the new ones coming forward are doing so because they want to be given a large amount of money and are jumping on the bandwagon. If anyone gets a payout they aren’t entitled to, well frankly, so what if that’s the price to pay to compensate all innocent postmasters who had their lives torn apart. It’s a one off exceptional circumstance and steps need to be taken to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. Edited January 8 by pfifes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 31 minutes ago, Axe said: Fair comment. But the new ones coming forward are doing so because they want to be given a large amount of money and are jumping on the bandwagon. Good for them. I hope they get sizable payouts. They deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 29 minutes ago, Axe said: Fair comment. But the new ones coming forward are doing so because they want to be given a large amount of money and are jumping on the bandwagon. Since the Horizon system wasn't recording transactions correctly, any claims the Post Office made about wrong doing based on the records of those transactions on the Horizon system can't be considered reliable. If there's no proof of guilt, they should be compensated. 57 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: Putting aside that the victims deserve more damages payment which is not something I would dispute.... ... snip ... Blame the government, blame the Post office blame Fujitsu for their negligence, but I'm not buying this whole "greedy lawyers" shtick. It's also worth pointing out that the Post Office deliberately dragged the cases out as long as possible to make it as expensive as possible for the sub-postmasters in order to discourage others affected from contesting the accusations against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 21 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: Why not because it should be Fujitsu who pay the compensation as their wonderful Horizon program was totally responsible for all the grief. Of course the CEO of Fujitsu just happens to be a government minister's husband so the tories won't like that solution either. It's not that simple. When are people going to realise its not some single head that's going to roll for this. Doesn't work like that. It's institutional failure across multiple agencies hundreds, if not thousands of people potentially involved and incidents occurring over many years. Whilst Fujitsu was the supplier of the defective IT system, it was ultimately the state owned post office who implemented the system, failed to properly audit it, monitor it, brought the criminal prosecutions, maintained a hardline stance during the litigation. At best you might get a handful of Fujitsu employees who might be found guilty of perjury if they all sufficiently found to have knowingly lied to the court. However, as for the wider organisation, it's just a piece of kit that is produced as one of their many products of many subsidiaries of many companies under the umbrella of their multi trillion Yen organisation. Oh, just for factual record, Keegan didn't take up position of UK CEO of Fujitsu until 2014, which was already after concerns had been raised about the validity of the prosecutions and they'd already been steps to set up a mediation scheme for postmasters. I wouldn't get too excited about seeing 'minister's husband toppled' because quite what direct involvement He'd have in the failure at that stage is probably very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, The_DADDY said: Good for them. I hope they get sizable payouts. They deserve it. It's not just this scandal, the Government failed to pay out compensation for the infected blood products 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, El Cid said: It's not just this scandal, the Government failed to pay out compensation for the infected blood products Why am I not surprised by that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 51 minutes ago, The_DADDY said: Good for them. I hope they get sizable payouts. They deserve it. Only the genuine victims deserve a sizeable payout. Those jumping on the bandwagon deserve less than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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