War On The Motorist. How Long Before It Comes To Our City.

[Annie Bynnol]

A bit selective with your dates perhaps?

Cost of 4*:

15 April 1978 75p

15 April 1979  88p

15 April 1980 132p

Source: Hansard

 

    Fuel duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019 was £27 billion - a year on year reduction. In the year ending 2023 it has dropped to  £25 billion.

    Government populist policy of reducing the take from fuel tax has resulted in every UK citizen of all ages and means  paying more taxes to cover this revenue loss.

[mart]

2 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

A bit selective with your dates perhaps?

Cost of 4*:

15 April 1978 75p

15 April 1979  88p

15 April 1980 132p

Source: Hansard

 

    Fuel duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019 was £27 billion - a year on year reduction. In the year ending 2023 it has dropped to  £25 billion.

    Government populist policy of reducing the take from fuel tax has resulted in every UK citizen of all ages and means  paying more taxes to cover this revenue loss.

But what percentage of the loss of fuel duty is down to electric vehicles?

[Chekhov]

2 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

A bit selective with your dates perhaps?

Cost of 4*:

15 April 1978 75p

15 April 1979  88p

15 April 1980 132p

Source: Hansard

 

    Fuel duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019 was £27 billion - a year on year reduction. In the year ending 2023 it has dropped to  £25 billion.

    Government populist policy of reducing the take from fuel tax has resulted in every UK citizen of all ages and means  paying more taxes to cover this revenue loss.

I simply chose the oldest date and I cannot be arsed to work it out for every other year, particularly as it makes no difference anyway. @ads36 stated "adjusting for inflation petrol is about as cheap as it's ever been".  He was wrong.

[Chekhov]

38 minutes ago, mart said:

But what percentage of the loss of fuel duty is down to electric vehicles?

Road pricing is coming, have no doubt about that.

In fact rationing may even be introduced at some point, remember the authoritarian "expert" dictators are already suggesting it.....

And they won't give us any say in the matter because all the parties will agree a common policy and there will be no opportunity to vote against it, which is already happening.

Edited January 15 by Chekhov

[Chekhov]

3 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Government populist policy of reducing the take from fuel tax has resulted in every UK citizen of all ages and means  paying more taxes to cover this revenue loss.

You appear to be using the term "populist" in some disparaging sense ?

Definition of populist :

 

a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

 

 

[Guest]

I also believe that road pricing will be bound to come and said that long ago.   Maybe even road rationing but we don't know about that.

It is fair that if you use something,  you should expect to have to pay for it.

Pricing has been used by governments for a long time to cut use of certain things and that's likely to be used even more in the future as we have to change our lifestyles.

[Anna B]

On 14/01/2024 at 18:22, HeHasRisen said:

And rightly so. It's basic stuff, if you break rules like this it's a tax on stupidity, so I'm all for it. 

 

By the way, bus gates with fines have been in Sheffield for a number of years now. 

And yet the police won't turn out for shoplifters, affray, anti-social behaviour, and any number of 'minor crimes' that plague the general public.

 

But enter a bus lane accidently and you get it in the neck accompanied by a hefty fine... 

Nothing to do with safety, motorists are simply seen as a cash cow.

On 14/01/2024 at 18:22, HeHasRisen said:

 

 

Edited January 16 by Anna B

[Longcol]

11 minutes ago, Anna B said:

And yet the police won't turn out for shoplifters, affray, anti-social behaviour, and any number of 'minor crimes' that plague the general public.

 

But enter a bus lane accidently and you get it in the neck accompanied by a hefty fine... 

 

 

Bus lanes aren't anything to do with the police. Civil offence rather than a criminal one.

[Tipstaff]

5 minutes ago, Anna B said:

And yet the police won't turn out for shoplifters, affray, anti-social behaviour, and any number of 'minor crimes' that plague the general public.

 

But enter a bus lane accidently and you get it in the neck accompanied by a hefty fine... 

Nothing to do with safety, motorists are simply seen as a cash cow.

 

It's nothing to do with roads policing anymore.  Local authorities regulate traffic in urban areas and use cameras to capture evidence of 'moving traffic offences'.  Traffic Wardens (Civil Enforcement Officers) will issue fixed penalty notices for parking offences and littering.  All this was expected to allow the Police to deal with more serious road traffic offences and other crime.   However, when the Local Authority uses the fines to create serious revenue, you could argue that the motorist may become a cash cow.

 

The answer is simple, don't park where you shouldn't and obey road traffic regulations.

[Chekhov]

8 hours ago, Longcol said:

Bus lanes aren't anything to do with the police. Civil offence rather than a criminal one.

That may be correct, but I think the point @Anna B was making is you drive through a bus gate (possibly accidentally, there's no flexibility) and bang, you'll get prosecuted. But steal something from a shop and nobody, apart from the shop owner, seems bothered about it. And that's plain wrong.