The_DADDY Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Palomar said: I know that my first thought should be to grab my pitchfork and join in with your circle sat around chanting,' burn them, burn them', but there are so many many good arguments to be more circumspect, nuanced, and rational about these things that might actually lead to a better way of doing things, like actually valuing the people who do the hard job of working with criminals, the mentally ill etc. Maybe they would be valued more if their inept decisions didn't cost the lives of innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Lessons will be learned , blah , blah blah , blah . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palomar Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, The_DADDY said: Maybe they would be valued more if their inept decisions didn't cost the lives of innocent people. How do you think you would fare in a job like that? Do you believe you'd rise above the lack of respect, lack of infrastructure, tied hands, grim conditions, soul crushing depravity, lack of support or decent pay and do the job of a hero? Or fail at the interview stage? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Palomar said: How do you think you would fare in a job like that? Snipped Completely irrelevant. 1 minute ago, Palomar said: Do you believe you'd rise above the lack of respect, lack of infrastructure, tied hands, grim conditions, soul crushing depravity, lack of support or decent pay and do the job of a hero? They should know the conditions of the job they are applying for. If they don't then that's their failing, no one else's. 2 minutes ago, Palomar said: Or fail at the interview stage? Again. Irrelevant. You're just trying to deflect blame by the looks of things. They screwed up. 3 people died. There were Many red flags but they went ignored. Someone needs to be held to account. Simple as that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfifes Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, echo beach said: Another case of ‘care in the community’ and missed opportunities. Thanks Maggie for closing most of the mental hospitals. How long would he have got for murder? Life, 25 years and probably out in 15. If he is so mentally unstable then hopefully he’ll be put in Broadmoor or similar and kept there until he gets carried out in a box. echo. ⬆️⬆️ 100% this. At the end of hand day, mistakes can and will always will happen but what can be controlled is the frequency with which they happen and that is ultimately down to government policy in this case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, The_DADDY said: Completely irrelevant. They should know the conditions of the job they are applying for. If they don't then that's their failing, no one else's. Again. Irrelevant. You're just trying to deflect blame by the looks of things. They screwed up. 3 people died. There were Many red flags but they went ignored. Someone needs to be held to account. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak4 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, echo beach said: Another case of ‘care in the community’ and missed opportunities. Thanks Maggie for closing most of the mental hospitals. How long would he have got for murder? Life, 25 years and probably out in 15. If he is so mentally unstable then hopefully he’ll be put in Broadmoor or similar and kept there until he gets carried out in a box. echo. 1 hour ago, pfifes said: ⬆️⬆️ 100% this. At the end of hand day, mistakes can and will always will happen but what can be controlled is the frequency with which they happen and that is ultimately down to government policy in this case. Unfortunately we are likely to see more of this. In the news yesterday about a family of four found dead, where the father appears to have called the police as he was concerned about his own mental state. Some reports claim the police just told him to contact a doctor. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/norwich-four-stabbed-found-dead-costessey-b2483391.html We have major cutbacks in social services & mental health support, and now at least one police force say they won't always attend mental health crisis calls. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/28/met-police-to-stop-attending-emergency-mental-health-calls It's not a new problem, this is from 2022, but organisations such as Mind have bee raising the issues for at least 10 years. https://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/nhs-mental-health-budgets-at-breaking-point/ TUC Report Here https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/Mentalhealthfundingreport2_0.pdf Edited January 24 by peak4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, Palomar said: How do you think you would fare in a job like that? Do you believe you'd rise above the lack of respect, lack of infrastructure, tied hands, grim conditions, soul crushing depravity, lack of support or decent pay and do the job of a hero? Or fail at the interview stage? You left out the part where they have to crawl over broken glass to beg for more gruel from their paymasters. Regardless of manslaughter or murder I think it's safe to presume that this vile specimen will not be on the streets killing anyone else's son or daughter for many a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) This guy should never have had the freedom of movement that allowed him to perpetuate these awful crimes. I will be long gone by the time that there is a campaign to reinstate his right to do as he wishes to anyone that he chooses. Edited January 24 by crookesey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prettytom Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Al Bundy said: You left out the part where they have to crawl over broken glass to beg for more gruel from their paymasters. Regardless of manslaughter or murder I think it's safe to presume that this vile specimen will not be on the streets killing anyone else's son or daughter for many a year. He’s going to get life imprisonment, regardless of the crime that he’s convicted of. The Manslaughter conviction was discussed with the victims’ families beforehand. I guess that it was easier to get that over the line and served the same purpose as a murder conviction It is a terrible case and an obvious failing by the authorities, it would be interesting to find out why he was judged fit to be out and about in society. That said, it must be a fine line sometimes between allowing someone to leave secure accommodation, or not. And we really cannot and should not lock everyone up who has mental illnesses like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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