Nottingham Stabbings

[Prettytom]

4 minutes ago, Top4719 said:

People who defend child rapists and violent murderers might be a good place to kick off.

 

 

I agree.

[echo beach]

Another case of ‘care in the community’ and missed opportunities.

Thanks Maggie for closing most of the mental hospitals.

How long would he have got for murder? Life, 25 years and probably out in 15.

If he is so mentally unstable then hopefully he’ll be put in Broadmoor or similar and kept there until he gets carried out in a box.

 

echo.

[Prettytom]

5 minutes ago, Top4719 said:

 

 

Blocked btw.

So, you’ve got nothing then.

[Palomar]

 

2 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Misjudged?

No, it was criminal negligence or incompetence.

 

So you think in your new probation officer or criminal psychologist career that you will be 100% successful in predicting the future? Good luck

[Prettytom]

Just now, Palomar said:

 

So you think in your new probation officer or criminal psychologist career that you will be 100% successful in predicting the future? Good luck

The bottom has fallen out of the unqualified virologist market. A man has to grift a crust somehow.

[Palomar]

6 minutes ago, Top4719 said:

If you think this piece of excrement should have been walking the streets you need help...

I've not been able to follow the logic that led us here ☝️, and I doubt you have either.

[Top4719]

Just now, Palomar said:

I've not been able to follow the logic that led us here ☝️, and I doubt you have either.

Your first thought when faced with a hideous crime like this is to start making excuses for the perpetrator and the authorities that could and should have prevented this happening, you are not like me or anyone in my circle and for that I am truly grateful. Lets hope a total injustice like this doesn't seriously affect anyone close to you.

[The_DADDY]

9 minutes ago, Palomar said:

 

So you think in your new probation officer or criminal psychologist career that you will be 100% successful in predicting the future? Good luck

There's a big difference between not being 100% successful and being so bad at your job that you unleash a psychopath on the streets who then goes on to murder 3 and try to murder more.

Or do you not understand that?

 

10 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

The bottom has fallen out of the unqualified virologist market. A man has to grift a crust somehow.

More thread spoiling from one of the usual suspects. 🙄

[peak4]

He hasn't been sentenced yet, so perhaps before speculating, folks should await the court's sentencing remarks; I would imagine they will be published in a case such as this.
"Today at Nottingham Crown Court prosecutor Karim Khalil KC said the 32-year-old's guilty plea to manslaughter has been accepted after consultation with the victims' families. It is now down to the judge to decide what sentence he faces."
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingham-attacks-live-valdo-calocane-9051747

I suspect it was always going to end this way given the attackers mental history; it strikes me that the victims, their families, and even the offender, were all failed by our mental health services ; and maybe the police are culpable  too.
It was known he'd been previously diagnosed, and also that he'd failed to take his medication. I'm sure folk will be investigating whether he should already been sectioned, and if not, why not.

The relevant legislation regarding the differences between alternative charges are available here;
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homicide-murder-manslaughter-infanticide-and-causing-or-allowing-death-or-serious

 

Murder

Subject to three exceptions (which constitute partial defences to murder, and result in a conviction for manslaughter)

the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

is of sound mind and discretion (sane)

 

 

Manslaughter
Manslaughter is primarily committed in one of three ways:

Killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.

..................

Diminished Responsibility
The defendant must prove the following four elements:

the defendant was suffering from an abnormality of mental functioning
if so, whether it had arisen from a recognised medical condition
if so, whether it had substantially impaired the defendant's ability either to understand the nature of their conduct or to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control (or any combination)
if so, whether it provided an explanation for their conduct: section 2 Homicide Act 1957 as amended by section 52 Coroners and Justice Act 2009

 

Edited January 23 by peak4

[Palomar]

13 minutes ago, Top4719 said:

Your first thought when faced with a hideous crime like this is to start making excuses for the perpetrator and the authorities that could and should have prevented this happening, you are not like me or anyone in my circle and for that I am truly grateful. Lets hope a total injustice like this doesn't seriously affect anyone close to you.

I know that my first thought should be to grab my pitchfork and join in with your circle sat around chanting,' burn them, burn them', but there are so many many good arguments to be more circumspect, nuanced, and rational about these things that might actually lead to a better way of doing things, like actually valuing the people who do the hard job of working with criminals, the mentally ill etc.

Edited January 23 by Palomar