London Chemical Attack

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, gaz678 said:

Ffs hang the tosser lesson to other idiots martyrs may arse

What ?

[Delbow]

1 minute ago, hackey lad said:

What ?

I think he wants us to martyr his arse. Takes all sorts I suppose.

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, peak4 said:

Here's a couple of links

Mental health facts and statistics Mind website

1 in 4 people will experience a mental health problem of some kind each year in England 
1 in 6 people report experiencing a common mental health problem (like anxiety and depression) in any given week in England 

 

Mental health problems HMG site

26% of adults reported having ever been diagnosed with at least one mental illness

Most mental health issues of course do not present any dangers to third parties, despite the sometimes devastating affect on those suffering from them.

The proportion within the prison estate is likely to be far higher, with often little formal psychiatric support; also of course with few resources available/dedicated to rehabilitation.
Sending folk to prison, with little mental health support, but exposing them to other convicted and often violent criminals, also often with mental health and anger issues, seem to be fraught with danger.
On release that are likely to receive little support, as austerity cuts have reduced community mental health services,  which is likely why they were imprisoned in the first place.
What could possibly go wrong......................
House of Commons Justice Committee Mental health in prison

Our reoffending rate here is appalling compared to many other countries; there's lots written about it, but here's one.
Hint, it has little to do with the availability of TVs, or the absence of hard labour.
Nina Hodžić: The sad irony of prisons in the UK
In the UK, around 60% of released inmates go on to reoffend within a two-year period. But in Norway the reoffending rate is only 20% after two years.
Partly as a result, Norway has almost three times fewer inmates than the UK, with prisons operating at a capacity of 73%, as opposed to 104% in England and Wales. 

Re- bottom paragraph (my bold):    I very much agree with a lot of that report but would point out something that Nina didn't take into consideration.

Prison populations are made up of more than one type of prisoner meaning that you need more than one type of solution.

There are hard core prisoners,  extremely violent,  who are in for committing very serious crime.  These types are career criminals,  murderers,  seniors of Organised Crime gangs, serial sexual offenders

using extreme violence, etc etc.   these types of people will never be rehabilitated to taking a 9 to 5 job and leading a blameless life.    They  are the types who, when in prison, become part of that senior

hierarchy of prisoner who actually part runs the prison.   They don't like work so we need to make them work and spoil their comfortable lifestyle whilst guests of HMP.

 

Many of the prisoners will be those who have committed fairly minor non-violent offences and are more a nuisance than a threat to society.  These people are the prisoners worth spending money on.

Some of them will be lacking educationally,  some with mental problems and learning difficulties,  some who have struggled to cope with life and some who are plain bone idle.

Educational / work training courses could be money well spent but this help needs to carry on for a while after release whilst they fit back into society.

I don't think there could ever be a one size fits all approach but, with careful grading we could lower the prison population.  Some of the results would be what National Service used to achieve.

 

 

[Al Bundy]

27 minutes ago, Delbow said:

It's entirely context dependent. Although the PHQ9 and GAD7 are available online, they are intended to be used by professionals, or form the basis of a discussion with a professional. But they can be a good way of checking your own progress - if you start at 21 on the PHQ9 (bad) and you are trying things to help, if you take the questionnaire again three weeks later and your score is 16, that's useful because it's telling you it's working. I'd current score under 5 which is how I know the meds are working well.

Interesting and thanks.

 

So this figure of 25% of all of us having issues throughout our life could be incorrect as it's purely the individual making the answers so not necessarily medically accurate?

 

[Al Bundy]

1 minute ago, Al Bundy said:

Interesting and thanks.

 

So this figure of 25% of all of us having issues throughout our life could be incorrect as it's purely the individual making the answers so not necessarily medically/professionally accurate?

 

 

[Delbow]

3 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

Interesting and thanks.

 

So this figure of 25% of all of us having issues throughout our life could be incorrect as it's purely the individual making the answers so not necessarily medically accurate?

 

There's a really, really long answer to that about what even constitutes a mental health problem, how we define it and how that differs between cultures and the weaknesses of the medical model of mental health, but now isn't really the time or place.

[Al Bundy]

14 minutes ago, Delbow said:

There's a really, really long answer to that about what even constitutes a mental health problem, how we define it and how that differs between cultures and the weaknesses of the medical model of mental health, but now isn't really the time or place.

Exactly my thoughts.

[peak4]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

Re- bottom paragraph (my bold):    I very much agree with a lot of that report but would point out something that Nina didn't take into consideration.

Prison populations are made up of more than one type of prisoner meaning that you need more than one type of solution.

There are hard core prisoners,  extremely violent,  who are in for committing very serious crime.  These types are career criminals,  murderers,  seniors of Organised Crime gangs, serial sexual offenders

using extreme violence, etc etc.   these types of people will never be rehabilitated to taking a 9 to 5 job and leading a blameless life.    They  are the types who, when in prison, become part of that senior

hierarchy of prisoner who actually part runs the prison.   They don't like work so we need to make them work and spoil their comfortable lifestyle whilst guests of HMP.

 

Many of the prisoners will be those who have committed fairly minor non-violent offences and are more a nuisance than a threat to society.  These people are the prisoners worth spending money on.

Some of them will be lacking educationally,  some with mental problems and learning difficulties,  some who have struggled to cope with life and some who are plain bone idle.

Educational / work training courses could be money well spent but this help needs to carry on for a while after release whilst they fit back into society.

I don't think there could ever be a one size fits all approach but, with careful grading we could lower the prison population.  Some of the results would be what National Service used to achieve.

 

 

To be fair, the article was about those who are released, the likelihood of re-offending, and preparation/integration into open society.
There will always be the need to imprison some people for the protection of the general public, and some of those perhaps indefinitely.
Contained within it there are several links such as World Prison Brief, which compared penal systems worldwide,  from that, a link to the Norwegian Correctional Service and from there to an EU Document
 Prisons and Community Sanctions and Measures which also compares differing penal systems

[Axe]

Firstly the person who committed the attack should never ever have  been allowed to enter our country.  For those who encourage diversity in our country that means accepting foreign traditions such as men who  have issues with a wife or partner taking revenge by attacking the wife or partner to deliberately disfigure them to make them unacttractive  to other men. Donald Trump had the right idea when he brought in a travel ban from people entering the USA from seven majority Muslim countries.  We need a government who will issue a travel ban from all Muslims entering our country.  It is time to bring back common decency and traditional Christian values to our country.  Enough is enough.

[RollingJ]

Sorry, @Axe, but that is pure stupidity. What is needed is a condition imposed on them to respect UK law - as they seem to insist on for travellers to their country.