We Need A Tunnel Under The Pennines

[Findlay]

Found a half hour Youtube video for Woodhead Tunnel 
 

 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Truth  . Just forgot by some . 

Nobody forgets at all,  but maybe many didn't even know until they start reading up on things to appear to be more knowledgeable than they are.

That kind of thing has happened in every single industry and in every single country in the world. 

It's simply how everyone used to operate until we learned to be slightly more caring regarding working people and their welfare.

Not much different to how many grinders and how many miners died because of the dust they breathed during their employment.

Many could tell you that because of their own fathers or grandfathers and some, have said so on this very forum.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Longcol said:

Bigger percentage of navvies working on Woodhead died than British troops in the battle of Waterloo.

Would you propose getting rid of our armed forces then,  because we know that some will die whilst fighting for us ?

I've been in the regular army too which is a dangerous occupation,  and I've been a grinder which was a dangerous occupation in the old days.

Maybe you don't think anyone died doing those things or building our cathedrals and churches.   It was all a part of life similar to our kings leading their troops into battle.

You really are scratching for excuses.

 

[Mkapaka]

On 08/02/2024 at 14:15, Padders said:

The London underground was built in the late 1880's without the modern equipment we have today.

Regardless of the weather, we need a better way to travel to Manchester.

Absolutely- it’s a disgrace that there isn’t a better link. 
 

would make a huge difference to us.

[YorkieontheTyne]

44 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Nobody forgets at all,  but maybe many didn't even know until they start reading up on things to appear to be more knowledgeable than they are.

That kind of thing has happened in every single industry and in every single country in the world. 

It's simply how everyone used to operate until we learned to be slightly more caring regarding working people and their welfare.

Not much different to how many grinders and how many miners died because of the dust they breathed during their employment.

Many could tell you that because of their own fathers or grandfathers and some, have said so on this very forum.

Well said sir. Although the phrase “health and safety” can be overused in the wrong context it has certainly helped push accidents at work and work related illnesses down, 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, YorkieontheTyne said:

Well said sir. Although the phrase “health and safety” can be overused in the wrong context it has certainly helped push accidents at work and work related illnesses down, 

Yes,  the term "Health & Safety"  is very much derided these days and sometimes responsible for occasional silly results ,  but basically the idea is good and encourages people to be sensible.

[Anna B]

9 hours ago, Longcol said:

On the back of cheap labour from Irish navvies,  many being killed in accidents or from the squalor of their living conditions.

 

https://www.bestofbarnsley.co.uk/post/barnsley-tales-3-the-trials-and-tribulations-of-one-of-the-areas-most-beautiful-train-stations

 

"The notorious Woodhead tunnel is six miles to the west of Penistone and was the longest tunnel in the world at just over 3 miles long.

Joseph Locke was partly in charge of the project. Work began in 1838 and it was completed in 1845. A large number of ‘navvies’ (navigators) mostly Irish, were killed from unsafe working practices. Roof falls and shaft fatalities were commonplace and cholera killed 28 in one day."

Sad. But unless the tunnel is used, they died for nothing. To reopen it and have it thriving would be a tribute to them. 

The same could be said about any heavy industry in the past; coalmining, steelworks etc. in which good men died doing their jobs

 

Thankfully technology has moved on and engineering is much safer these days. We built a tunnel under the channel for heavens sake!  A safe weather protected road route into Manchester, Liverpool etc is essential and long overdue.

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Sad. But unless the tunnel is used, they died for nothing. To reopen it and have it thriving would be a tribute to them. 

The same could be said about any heavy industry in the past; coalmining, steelworks etc. in which good men died doing their jobs

 

Thankfully technology has moved on and engineering is much safer these days. We built a tunnel under the channel for heavens sake!  A safe weather protected road route into Manchester, Liverpool etc is essential and long overdue.

Tell you what - lets cover all the roads with canopies. 🤣

[Anna B]

Just now, RollingJ said:

Tell you what - lets cover all the roads with canopies. 🤣

Why? That would be silly wouldn't it...🙄

 

The route to the west of the Pennines is particularly difficult as you know, going over mountains, and prone to weather disruption.

One flurry of snow closes it, as we saw a few days ago. Same with high winds, fog etc

 A prolonged snowfall can close it for weeks.

[RollingJ]

Just now, Anna B said:

Why? That would be silly wouldn't it...🙄

 

The route to the west of the Pennines is particularly difficult as you know, going over mountains, and prone to weather disruption.

One flurry of snow closes it, as we saw a few days ago. Same with high winds, fog etc

 A prolonged snowfall can close it for weeks.

You obviously don't 'do' humour - note the smiley at the end of the line.

 

Our weather is temperate, and the costs of these 'schemes' far outweigh the benefits.