Tram Track Broken At Manor Top — No Trams To Halfway Or Herdings Park

[Irene Swaine]

4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

I don't know any of those areas well enough to comment off the top of my head - maybe if I can find the time, or the inclination, I will check Google maps and see how close a service actually runs to them. I was really thinking of the big (ex-council) estates, and the new ones being built these days - those certainly don't cater for 36 footers, which is the length of the majority of PSV's these day. Yes, there are slightly shorter ones, but they are not in use in sufficient number.

Full sized buses regularly run through the new build estate at Waverley and the older, Jaunty Estate at Base Green. That's the advantage of buses over trams, they can squeeze in to spaces and go that bit further. You should see one of the roads in Bradwell that the 272 squeezes down. A full size bus wouldn't be feasible for most routes off the main roads anyway. A narrower bus, like the ones used on the underused Connect city clipper would work fine and could be used to connect to places like Manor Top Interchange for the tram. 

[Irene Swaine]

1 minute ago, Planner1 said:

Would you like to point us to any location in the world where they have buses running on every suitable road?

 

Also, if the buses meandered off around every estate along the route, it would add significantly to the overall journey time, making the bus even less attractive.

The heavily laiden mother with pushchairs and nappy bags etc would rather a direct bus that takes a little longer. The number 17 used to get a lot of young families boarding at places like Fox Hill for the nigh on hour long journey in to Meadowhall. 

[Planner1]

1 minute ago, Irene Swaine said:

The heavily laiden mother with pushchairs and nappy bags etc would rather a direct bus that takes a little longer. The number 17 used to get a lot of young families boarding at places like Fox Hill for the nigh on hour long journey in to Meadowhall. 

Done a survey and asked all of them have you?

 

Would the ones who don’t live on the bus route actually want a bus running up their street or a bus stop outside their house?

 

What is the proportion of pushchair wielding parents to other users on all buses in Sheffield?

 

Daytime buses are mostly provided on a commercial basis by operators. If they thought it was profitable to do what you suggest, wouldn’t it already be happening?

 

 

 

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, Irene Swaine said:

Full sized buses regularly run through the new build estate at Waverley and the older, Jaunty Estate at Base Green. That's the advantage of buses over trams, they can squeeze in to spaces and go that bit further. You should see one of the roads in Bradwell that the 272 squeezes down. A full size bus wouldn't be feasible for most routes off the main roads anyway. A narrower bus, like the ones used on the underused Connect city clipper would work fine and could be used to connect to places like Manor Top Interchange for the tram. 

Again, I don't know the areas you are quoting, but I imagine the Waverley service runs on roads wide enough/straight enough not to cause major manoeuvrability issues.

The 272 doesn't run that often, and, on the couple of times I used it towards the end of last year, it had to spend quite a while reversing to a point wide enough to allow oncoming traffic to pass - not the best way to run a reliably timed service.

As I said earlier,  the mini-buses used on the Connect service do not exist in the major operators fleets, and they are not going to buy/lease them on the off-chance SYCMA would subsidise them - or the services.

[Planner1]

9 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

That's the advantage of buses over trams, they can squeeze in to spaces and go that bit further.

And the disadvantage being that many drivers won’t switch to a bus, but some will switch to a tram.

[Planner1]

10 hours ago, Findlay said:

All the more reason for Supertram routes to be made circular like a ring main. Power and services can be distributed right up to the break point in both directions.
Radial routes cut off everything after the break.

Its going to be a busy week on the roads that side of Sheffield.

Good luck persuading the government to spend several billions on an enormous extension to the tram network to avoid a risk that might occur what, every 20 or 30 years?

[Guest busdriver1]

14 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

Full sized buses regularly run through the new build estate at Waverley 

Only because of local political pressure, there is now and  never has been a need other than to tick a political box

[Guest busdriver1]

5 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

And the disadvantage being that many drivers won’t switch to a bus, but some will switch to a tram.

Some drivers will switch to an alternative if that alternative offers a useful and attractive alternative be it bus, tram, or train. Many areas where local government works with operators instead of empire building and creating vanity projects have seen this to be true.

[Irene Swaine]

17 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Done a survey and asked all of them have you?

 

Where did I mention a survey?

 

18 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Would the ones who don’t live on the bus route actually want a bus running up their street or a bus stop outside their house?

 

If it ran up their street, then they WOULD live on the bus route, duh!

 

19 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

What is the proportion of pushchair wielding parents to other users on all buses in Sheffield?

That's irrelevant to how beneficial better connecting services would be. There ARE mothers with pushchairs who would appreciate a more local service, as well as people with heavy shopping.

 

20 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Daytime buses are mostly provided on a commercial basis by operators. If they thought it was profitable to do what you suggest, wouldn’t it already be happening?

 

Read my original post regarding this again, where did I say it was profitable? I said it would be beneficial. Beneficial to the public which means there is room for improvement with the PTE meeting their obligations. Please don't misquote my words. The city clipper bus makes no profit, I don't need to do a "survey" to know that, I can see it with my own eyes. Ridiculous plans to save the pointless Doncaster airport won't bring in a profit. I'd rather Oliver Coppard and the PTE focus on things that would actually be beneficial to the public.

[Irene Swaine]

22 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

The 272 doesn't run that often, and, on the couple of times I used it towards the end of last year, it had to spend quite a while reversing to a point wide enough to allow oncoming traffic to pass - not the best way to run a reliably timed service.

Yet it has operated successfully for over 25 years.

 

23 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

As I said earlier,  the mini-buses used on the Connect service do not exist in the major operators fleets, and they are not going to buy/lease them on the off-chance SYCMA would subsidise them - or the services.

Sheffield Community Transport have a fleet of minibuses and work in partnership with Travel South Yorkshire. They are a not for profit organisation that specialises in providing links to isolated areas using....minibuses. They even provided local connecting services such as the 31 and S6 during the 2009 recession and beyond. Or guess what, the city clipper minibuses could be used for said services, instead of carrying fresh air around town.