Could It Possible To Restore The Tram Line Down To The Moor?

[Guest busdriver1]

5 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

OK. If we accept your argument on costs - which I personally don't - you are totally disregarding what is already happening on Fargate, and from another angle, another question - is there room to swing the tram off High Street onto Fargate - considering the vehicles length and limited manoeuvrability?

What about all the various underground services that suddenly appeared  (done on the cheap?) when they tried to stand comparatively lightweight containers on them?

[RollingJ]

Just now, busdriver1 said:

What about all the various underground services that suddenly appeared  (done on the cheap?) when they tried to stand comparatively lightweight containers on them?

Good point.

[Anna B]

It might be easier to extend the line from top of Netherthorpe roundabout, down the ring road, past the bottom of Moor and Arundal Gate. This would give better padestrian access to the bottom of the Moor shops and the Moor Market. It could then join up with the tram track near the bottom of Staniforth Road completing the city centre circle. This would hopefully involve fewer roads and less disruption. 

[Guest busdriver1]

6 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It might be easier to extend the line from top of Netherthorpe roundabout, down the ring road, past the bottom of Moor and Arundal Gate. This would give better padestrian access to the bottom of the Moor shops and the Moor Market. It could then join up with the tram track near the bottom of Staniforth Road completing the city centre circle. This would hopefully involve fewer roads and less disruption. 

Yep bring it down upper Hanover Street, thats like a ghost town all day, wouldnt cause any issues at all. 😁😂

[hackey lad]

26 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It might be easier to extend the line from top of Netherthorpe roundabout, down the ring road, past the bottom of Moor and Arundal Gate. This would give better padestrian access to the bottom of the Moor shops and the Moor Market. It could then join up with the tram track near the bottom of Staniforth Road completing the city centre circle. This would hopefully involve fewer roads and less disruption. 

Staniforth Road ?

[AndrewC]

3 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Please expand.

It's mostly nimbyism and a lack of political will.

 

People shout, 'no! the disruption!', yeah well, most things cause short-term pain. It can be minimised and managed.

People look at engineering barriers (how do you get it down this road, how will it span that river, there's no space here etc.) - again, it usually just takes imagination, experienced people and political will to actually come up with the solutions; the cost of them is the one real limitation.

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, GabrielC said:

Let's be clear it would not be over night but more likely two to three years to recover costs. People need to be encouraged to use the network the Moor is a good location been a shopping area.

So how much were you thinking this spur might cost?

 

To give you an idea, Birmingham did a 1.7km extension on their tram that cost £160 million.

 

Edinburgh recently opened an extension and now have two lines, which cost them over £1 billion in total

 

West Yorkshire are looking to build 2 lines probably costing circa £2 billion.

 

Construction costs have recently increased enormously. An extension might take 5 to 10 years to plan and construct, so costs would certainly be significantly higher than these examples.

 

Transport schemes have an appraisal period of 60 years for considering the economic benefits. The ratio of benefits to costs usually has to be at least 2:1 to get government funding.

[RollingJ]

So - again, because no-one has answered this yet - how do you do this, bearing in mind what is already planned and under construction on Fargate?

And costs. Plus, to do what has been suggested would entail the complete reconstruction of the line in the Cathedral/High Street area, disregarding the fact that there is insufficient room for the tram to turn onto Fargate anyway - the design/construction of the vehicles mean they cannot handle anything much more than a very gentle curve - shall we add in the cost of designing, building and buying complete new rolling-stock?

[Planner1]

4 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

It's mostly nimbyism and a lack of political will.

 

People shout, 'no! the disruption!', yeah well, most things cause short-term pain. It can be minimised and managed.

People look at engineering barriers (how do you get it down this road, how will it span that river, there's no space here etc.) - again, it usually just takes imagination, experienced people and political will to actually come up with the solutions; the cost of them is the one real limitation.

Were you around here when they built the tram?

 

There was A LOT of long term disruption. Installing a tram system in a city centre isn’t easy. Many of the buried utilities have to be diverted. There are big open excavations for a long time. Access is difficult. Businesses suffer. 
 

Construction techniques have improved a bit since then, but you are not going to be able to install a tram up Fargate without a huge amount of disruption.

 

Acceptability to the public and local businesses and organisations would be a major factor that decision makers ( Mayor and councillors) would need to consider if they wanted to do something like this.

[Andy_terrier]

Why in the scenario of fulfilling a transport link does the tram have to go down fargate/the moor? Send it down Arundel Gate to Moorfoot. Also I don't agree it only works for people on a tram route. It links the bottom of the shopping area to the top. I would also make it cheap. 50p a ride and part of the full price single ticket if that was practical.