Irene Swaine Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Comparing roads of today with say 30 years ago is an inequal comparison. Layouts and rules were more liberal then but car ownership was less. It wouldn't have taken half as long to cross the road as it does now. So pelican crossings and such came in to effect. Cars are also becoming far wider as well, which reduces the number of lanes available. The bus gate ensures that the buses run to time and the city centre is easier to explore safely. There are many side roads and back roads to get around in a car, as well as numerous car parks. Paternoster Row is an alternative and also leads to the car park on Eyre Street/Brown Street. The OP neglected to see the signs. This is sufficient evidence of driving without due care and attention, which can result in far more serious penalties than the fine they were given. They should also be charged with reversing over a pelican crossing/onto the pavement, as they admitted to doing outside Hallam University. The bus gate signs are clear and concise, unlike the ambiguous CAZ ones which simply state "charges apply, pay online". Bus gates are nothing new, Langsett Road/Middlewood Road has had one for 28 years and Hillsborough Corner is far nicer because of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpycatweasel Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 27 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said: Comparing roads of today with say 30 years ago is an inequal comparison. Layouts and rules were more liberal then but car ownership was less. It wouldn't have taken half as long to cross the road as it does now. So pelican crossings and such came in to effect. Cars are also becoming far wider as well, which reduces the number of lanes available. The bus gate ensures that the buses run to time and the city centre is easier to explore safely. There are many side roads and back roads to get around in a car, as well as numerous car parks. Paternoster Row is an alternative and also leads to the car park on Eyre Street/Brown Street. The OP neglected to see the signs. This is sufficient evidence of driving without due care and attention, which can result in far more serious penalties than the fine they were given. They should also be charged with reversing over a pelican crossing/onto the pavement, as they admitted to doing outside Hallam University. The bus gate signs are clear and concise, unlike the ambiguous CAZ ones which simply state "charges apply, pay online". Bus gates are nothing new, Langsett Road/Middlewood Road has had one for 28 years and Hillsborough Corner is far nicer because of it. The "driving without due care and attention" law is the golden ticket for the enforcement agencies to write a blank check it's becoming a crime to humanity how many laws are being introduced without any morality brought into the thought process Not one person wanted to be born into a life of petty intricate bylaws to govern the only human experience they are going to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 11 hours ago, Grumpycatweasel said: why should driving become this intricate? Town was a thriving epicenter decades ago now its a desolate baron place compared to yesteryear... pretty sure the road infrastructure is partly to blame "bb..b.. wheres the evidence" I don’t think it’s particularly intricate. Take care, observe the restrictions and all is fine. Our understanding of the impacts of our choices improves over time. Unfettered growth in car use might have seemed a good thing 40 or 50 years back, but now we know more about the impacts on people, so we try to do things a bit differently and encourage use of public transport and active travel. We realise that having huge roads going through our town and city centres isn’t such a good idea. Changes in the fortunes of town and city centres is more to do with how we now live our lives, like online shopping, home working, out of town shopping centres etc. Every town and city is experiencing problems on the high street. Even Birmingham, probably the most car oriented city in the UK is seeing the same downturns, John Lewis closing their new flagship store for example. Birmingham are removing road infrastructure, installing better public transport and making their city centre more people friendly. So are most places. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpycatweasel Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 7 hours ago, Planner1 said: I don’t think it’s particularly intricate. Take care, observe the restrictions and all is fine. Our understanding of the impacts of our choices improves over time. Unfettered growth in car use might have seemed a good thing 40 or 50 years back, but now we know more about the impacts on people, so we try to do things a bit differently and encourage use of public transport and active travel. We realise that having huge roads going through our town and city centres isn’t such a good idea. Changes in the fortunes of town and city centres is more to do with how we now live our lives, like online shopping, home working, out of town shopping centres etc. Every town and city is experiencing problems on the high street. Even Birmingham, probably the most car oriented city in the UK is seeing the same downturns, John Lewis closing their new flagship store for example. Birmingham are removing road infrastructure, installing better public transport and making their city centre more people friendly. So are most places. instant fine for making a wrong decision & nobody was harmed "I don't believe this is particularly intricate" these type of city centre driving laws are another chance for people to just say forget it i'm not visiting town, nobody wants visiting town via car to become a lottery whether you take s incorrect turning by mistake and get slapped with a huge fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Grumpycatweasel said: instant fine for making a wrong decision & nobody was harmed "I don't believe this is particularly intricate" these type of city centre driving laws are another chance for people to just say forget it i'm not visiting town, nobody wants visiting town via car to become a lottery whether you take s incorrect turning by mistake and get slapped with a huge fine So do you think penalties are only justified if someone is harmed? You don’t just get fined for taking a wrong turning. There are lots of large signs to direct you and as far as bus gates are concerned, there’s always a signed escape route for motorists to follow, just before the restriction. The fines cannot in any way be considered “huge”. £35 for a bus lane fine if paid promptly is probably about the cost of half a tank of gas for most drivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpycatweasel Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, Planner1 said: So do you think penalties are only justified if someone is harmed? You don’t just get fined for taking a wrong turning. There are lots of large signs to direct you and as far as bus gates are concerned, there’s always a signed escape route for motorists to follow, just before the restriction. The fines cannot in any way be considered “huge”. £35 for a bus lane fine if paid promptly is probably about the cost of half a tank of gas for most drivers. Are you Torie by any chance? why are people villified for making harmless decisens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, Grumpycatweasel said: Are you Torie by any chance? why are people villified for making harmless decisens? I don't think @Planner1's comments are politically inspired, and what he says above is all perfectly true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 52 minutes ago, Grumpycatweasel said: Are you Torie by any chance? why are people villified for making harmless decisens? If you want to get personal, I might equally ask why you are prone to gross exaggeration? ( and while we’re at it, why you deliberately miss spell). My politics are none of your business, but I’ll tell you this much, I have never voted Tory ( yes that’s how you spell it) and never will. A £35 fine is “vilification”? Give us a break. It’s just a mild reminder to do it right in future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Planner1 said: So do you think penalties are only justified if someone is harmed? You don’t just get fined for taking a wrong turning. There are lots of large signs to direct you and as far as bus gates are concerned, there’s always a signed escape route for motorists to follow, just before the restriction. The fines cannot in any way be considered “huge”. £35 for a bus lane fine if paid promptly is probably about the cost of half a tank of gas for most drivers. Gas , gas , It's petrol or diesel . Tut,Tut ,Tut 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 People on minimum wage arguably can't afford to run a car anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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