Frank Hester's Racist Comments About Diane Abbott

[Irene Swaine]

17 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

In my opinion (which apparently can't be wrong, because opinions can't be wrong) it isn't a subjective matter.

 

Either the comments were racist and misogynistic, or they weren't. In my apparently-unable-to-be-wrong opinion they were.

 

Also in my unable-to-be-wrong opinion, the meeting wasn't private, it was a business meeting and in any case it is irrelevant because the comments have since become public. In my unable-to-be-wrong opinion racist comments are racist comments whether said behind closed doors or not.

 

The comments were racist.

Racism is usually treated by police as a public order offence. If the comments were racist, which I don't believe they were and were said in a confidential meeting where the target of such was not present, I can't see how an offence has been committed. 

[SheffieldForum]

4 minutes ago, Irene Swaine said:

Racism is usually treated by police as a public order offence. If the comments were racist, which I don't believe they were and were said in a confidential meeting where the target of such was not present, I can't see how an offence has been committed. 

It has been reported to the police and they are investigating it.

 

 

[Prettytom]

38 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

In your opinion.

In my opinion, and racism is a subjective matter, they were not.

But it is all irrelevant anyway because they were made in a private meeting.

Or do you think people's private meetings should also be censored ? Along with their very thoughts one presumes.

"Sheffield Forum"', should he be up before Ofcom for bias ?

 

I think that you can be racist in private.

 

In fact, I bet that most racists only show their true colours in private.

 

Hester wasn’t talking in private anyway. He was at work.

[Prettytom]

19 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

You can be racist without intending to be racist.

You can be racist whilst pretending not to be racist.

 

You see plenty of that on here, for example.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Axe said:

In my opinion the argument should be whether Frank Hester intended to be racist.  He certainly did not intend Diane Abbott to hear the alleged comments reported.  When Diane Abbott did hear the alleged comments he did the gentlemanly think and offered an apology which should have been an end of the matter in my opinion. 

 

Do think Rishi Sunak is only right when he shares the same opinion as yourself?

My bold:  Your opinion seems to be different from everyone else's then because we are all debating whether he was Racist or not,  rather than his intentions which is a ploy to exonerate him.

What I was asking you is,  do you think that Sunak is wrong when he he says that Hester's remarks were  "racist and wrong".  

I have already told you that Hester HAS NOT apologised for making racist and misogynist remarks  -  he has simply apologised for making RUDE remarks  -  a big difference.

 

It's not important to me whether Sunak is right or wrong.  I had made my decision that Hester was being racist and misogynist,  long before Sunak was forced to declare his view.

[sheffbag]

so who thinks the tories should give the money back?

[despritdan]

10 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

so who thinks the tories should give the money back?

They should give it back to the Treasury which is where it originally came from.

[cressida]

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

[SheffieldForum]

1 minute ago, cressida said:

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

Again, the person who made the comments is the person responsible for them. If he hadn't said it, it wouldn't have been able to be reported.

 

i.e. "Don't shoot the messenger".

 

 

[Axe]

41 minutes ago, cressida said:

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

One day that person will meet their maker.  

 

Titus 3:10-11 

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As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.