RollingJ Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, SheffieldForum said: Did trams never break down before? They did - and Stagecoach got the blame - so - quid pro co? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Edit to above post - because of the ridiculously short edit window - quid pro quo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said: Did trams never break down before? Can't you find a photo of Oliver with a sad face . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 25/04/2024 at 04:01, RollingJ said: They did - and Stagecoach got the blame - so - quid pro co? Most of the vehicles are old, obsolete and need replacing. Same for whoever is operating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Most of the vehicles are old, obsolete and need replacing. Same for whoever is operating them. I know they are old - apart from the Tram Trains, most of them are the original rolling stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 24/04/2024 at 20:00, hackey lad said: Well Oliver , two broken down Trams on the Blue line at this very moment . The start of your new adventure is looking very ropey . On 24/04/2024 at 21:01, RollingJ said: They did - and Stagecoach got the blame - so - quid pro co? The point here surely is that replacing the knackered fleet and/or changes to maintenance are not something that is going to be sorted overnight, and there is such a thing as a honeymoon period. Like I said in my comment earlier in this thread, we should take the 'positives' with a pinch of salt, it's only fair that we apply the same logic to negatives - if most of us agree that Stagecoach have not exactly run the system well for the last however many years then it stands to reason that meaningful improvements will take time. It's right that broken down trams are still flagged up as an important issue that needs addressing, but actively 'blaming' the new regime for it, or saying that it somehow proves this new regime isn't going to work seems a tad ludicrous. Also, trams do break down. Even new trams, with good maintenance. So, lets see what the trend in breakdowns is like after 1-2 years of new ownership, not try and draw conclusions from one day. If it's no better, I'll be as disappointed as you two, I promise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 The tendering process for the full rebuild and refurbishment of original fleet will reveal if it will be more economic to replace them. Having proved to be the best 'modern' UK tram by streets the rebuild/or replacement can be staggered over several years. There is no technical reason why a 20 year life extension cannot be achieved - only a disability access issue( solved in modern trams with low floors throughout0, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, AndrewC said: The point here surely is that replacing the knackered fleet and/or changes to maintenance are not something that is going to be sorted overnight, and there is such a thing as a honeymoon period. Like I said in my comment earlier in this thread, we should take the 'positives' with a pinch of salt, it's only fair that we apply the same logic to negatives - if most of us agree that Stagecoach have not exactly run the system well for the last however many years then it stands to reason that meaningful improvements will take time. It's right that broken down trams are still flagged up as an important issue that needs addressing, but actively 'blaming' the new regime for it, or saying that it somehow proves this new regime isn't going to work seems a tad ludicrous. Also, trams do break down. Even new trams, with good maintenance. So, lets see what the trend in breakdowns is like after 1-2 years of new ownership, not try and draw conclusions from one day. If it's no better, I'll be as disappointed as you two, I promise. Dunno why you quoted me in there - but no matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, RollingJ said: Dunno why you quoted me in there - but no matter. Because you were referring to the blame being put on Coppard et al. It was context to the point I was making about being careful putting too much blame on a new operator so soon in to their tenure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffieldForum Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, AndrewC said: Because you were referring to the blame being put on Coppard et al. It was context to the point I was making about being careful putting too much blame on a new operator so soon in to their tenure. Indeed. Just like someone taking over a local online forum should be given time too... 🤣 Sheffield Forum | The Sheffield Guide | The Sheffield Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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