Democracy - Good Or Bad?

[Al Bundy]

3 hours ago, Mkapaka said:

Big opening presupposition not borne out by any facts.

Again, it's their opinion. 

[rogets]

Hitler was elected democratically, so you could argue that democracy doesn't work

[El Cid]

43 minutes ago, rogets said:

Hitler was elected democratically, so you could argue that democracy doesn't work

Hitler wasnt elected under proportional reprsentation though, although I havnt checked.

When democracy is poor, people wont say that they want a dictatorship, they will say that they want a better democracy.

[Mkapaka]

5 hours ago, Al Bundy said:

Again, it's their opinion. 

But it was stated as fact to support an argument they put forward.

 

if England isn’t the greatest country then their proposed argument is flawed from the off isn’t it?

Edited April 11 by Mkapaka

[m williamson]

On 10/04/2024 at 17:43, Axe said:

The UK is the greatest country in the World to be born in and live in because of the freedoms democracy brings.

 

However,  China will soon be the most powerful country in the World because of its powerful  military and economic global influence obtained because it is not a democracy. 

 

Democracy  -  Good or Bad  .............    opinions 

You are under the impression that the UK is a true democracy?  Why am I not surprised 🙄.

 

In a true democracy the people are sovereign, that's what the word democracy means, government by the people.  A government should be formed by candidates that belong to the party that has have received the most votes in an election.

 

In a true democracy the people are sovereign. There is a written constitution which has been agreed by the people and the state cannot alter that without gaining the peoples agreement.

 

That is not how it works in this country. In this country Parliament is sovereign, they decide on policy and do not require the peoples consent in order to implement their decisions.

In this country a government can be formed with an 80 seat majority and be unassailable despite receiving less than 50% of votes cast.

Tony Blairs government elected in 2005 received only 32.5% of all votes cast and still had a workable majority.

 

In this country the sovereign is above the law, the police, military, and judiciary all swear allegiance to the monarch which means they are above the law and can literally get away with murder. https://uollb.com/blog/law/what-would-happen-to-king-charles-iii-if-he-committed-murder

 

This country does not have a genuine democracy.

[Axe]

16 hours ago, m williamson said:

You are under the impression that the UK is a true democracy?  Why am I not surprised 🙄.

 

In a true democracy the people are sovereign, that's what the word democracy means, government by the people.  A government should be formed by candidates that belong to the party that has have received the most votes in an election.

 

In a true democracy the people are sovereign. There is a written constitution which has been agreed by the people and the state cannot alter that without gaining the peoples agreement.

 

That is not how it works in this country. In this country Parliament is sovereign, they decide on policy and do not require the peoples consent in order to implement their decisions.

In this country a government can be formed with an 80 seat majority and be unassailable despite receiving less than 50% of votes cast.

Tony Blairs government elected in 2005 received only 32.5% of all votes cast and still had a workable majority.

 

In this country the sovereign is above the law, the police, military, and judiciary all swear allegiance to the monarch which means they are above the law and can literally get away with murder. https://uollb.com/blog/law/what-would-happen-to-king-charles-iii-if-he-committed-murder

 

This country does not have a genuine democracy.

Nonsense.   The people elect our Parliament who make decisions on behalf of the people.

 

We elect MPs for 650 constituencies.   The political party that has the most MPs is the largest party.  Normally the largest party has a majority of MPs in government and can form a government on their own.   I never voted for the Labour party when Tony Blair was their leader but because I respect democracy I accepted the Labour party won the general elections fair and square.  Our first past the post system is the simplest form a democratic system and as worked well for our country since it was introduced after the Reform act.   Our country has the most genuine democracy in the World.  

[hauxwell]

We are given a bit of democracy every 5 years or less allowing the Government to do what they want. At times I feel its an elective dictatorship.
We can't have a referendum every time Government brings in new legislation but should the people have more say on some policies.

[horribleblob]

"Of the 43 countries most often considered to be within Europe, 40 use some form of proportional representation to elect their MPs.

 

The UK stands almost alone in Europe in using a ‘one-person-takes-all’ disproportionate voting system. If we exclude the authoritarian state of Belarus, France is the only other European country to use a ‘one-person-takes-all’ system (the Two-Round System).

 

The UK is unique among European countries in terms of its electoral system – and not in a good way. It’s the only country with a parliamentary system that uses the outdated, one-person-takes-all First Past the Post system. Westminster is even unique within the UK, as the Scottish and Welsh parliaments, as well as the Northern Ireland and London Assemblies all use forms of proportional representation."

 

Electoral Reform Society

[RJRB]

9 minutes ago, hauxwell said:

We are given a bit of democracy every 5 years or less allowing the Government to do what they want. At times I feel its an elective dictatorship.
We can't have a referendum every time Government brings in new legislation but should the people have more say on some policies.

Looking at the turnout a significant number choose not to have any say on policies.

This could be because they have absolutely no interest or live in a constituency where they believe that their vote cannot have any bearing on the result.

Proportional representation would be more democratic but is not to the liking of the 2 major parties.

[butlers]

The Cameron government was the least representative of any elected government. Can' remember the exact number but it was something like 26 percent of the electorate