Preppers & Survivalists

[hackey lad]

42 minutes ago, rogets said:

They were everywhere, houses from as little as £8000, to ones at Wisewood for £30,000, Handsworth too, you could get a 2 up and 2 down for 25 to 30k until the early 2000s (around 2003)

 

Detached houses in leafy areas like Lodge Moor were only 90k

 

And wages were still good in those days with time and half and double time being the norm in the 90s

Paid 35 k for a two bed semi , in a nice area in the early 90s

[The_DADDY]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

Paid 35 k for a two bed semi , in a nice area in the early 90s

You said semi 🤣

[gaz678]

5 hours ago, alchresearch said:

I guess it all depends on location and what you want and if you're prepared to start at the bottom of the housing ladder.

 

When I considering buying in 1992 I remember seeing a 2 bed terrace in Page Hall for  £8000.

Get it for £5000 these days !

[gaz678]

49 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

You said semi 🤣

Here we go ...man love kicking In 😂I 😂😂

Edited May 2 by gaz678

[Anna B]

9 hours ago, rogets said:

BUt to be fair most of the damage was done in the last 25 years.

 

Mrs T wasn't in charge then

Mrs Thatcher (and pal Ronald Regan, President of the USA,) started the rot by going over to Free Market Economics, ie, releasing restraints, checks and balances on businesses, turning it into a high risk freeforall, survival of the fittest etc; a super capitalist market economy. We were probably well placed to survive as a nation at the time, although the emphasis changed from manufacturing to banking the proceeds and skimming off the top. (remember the 'Yuppies?') She sold all our utilities off as well, (water, gas, electricity etc ) Shares were bought and sold, thus we lost control of the companies and suppliers.

 

Over time things changed. The ruthless and successful became super rich by 'off shoring' and other dubious practices to avoid tax and maximise profits. It was 'profit at all costs.' at the expense of everyone else. The only way to survive was to join the club and adopt equally similar cut throat policies: low wages, less workers to do more work, abandoning workers rights, etc. ie a race to the bottom. 

 

It has taken 40 years of Free market economics to get where we are now. Once the ball started rolling, no government had the guts to go it alone and try to turn the tide, even though it was well known where it would end. The banking crash of 2008 was no surprise in spite of what we were told, and the growth of 'Mega Corporations' inevitable and wrong, as pointed out years ago by groups like Occupy. We now have Corporations wealthier and more powerful than entire countries, and a few individuals sucking up nearly all of the disposable wealth, creating terrible world wide economic inequality. 

 

We have now passed  the point of no return, and it will all end in tears as more and more people realise they are no longer on the winning team, cannot afford houses, cars, holidays, health care, insurance, and all the other things they are used to, or even the means of putting enough food on the table. 

 

 

 

[Ridgewalk]

36 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Mrs Thatcher (and pal Ronald Regan, President of the USA,) started the rot by going over to Free Market Economics, ie, releasing restraints, checks and balances on businesses, turning it into a high risk freeforall, survival of the fittest etc; a super capitalist market economy. We were probably well placed to survive as a nation at the time, although the emphasis changed from manufacturing to banking the proceeds and skimming off the top. (remember the 'Yuppies?') She sold all our utilities off as well, (water, gas, electricity etc ) Shares were bought and sold, thus we lost control of the companies and suppliers.

 

Over time things changed. The ruthless and successful became super rich by 'off shoring' and other dubious practices to avoid tax and maximise profits. It was 'profit at all costs.' at the expense of everyone else. The only way to survive was to join the club and adopt equally similar cut throat policies: low wages, less workers to do more work, abandoning workers rights, etc. ie a race to the bottom. 

 

It has taken 40 years of Free market economics to get where we are now. Once the ball started rolling, no government had the guts to go it alone and try to turn the tide, even though it was well known where it would end. The banking crash of 2008 was no surprise in spite of what we were told, and the growth of 'Mega Corporations' inevitable and wrong, as pointed out years ago by groups like Occupy. We now have Corporations wealthier and more powerful than entire countries, and a few individuals sucking up nearly all of the disposable wealth, creating terrible world wide economic inequality. 

 

We have now passed  the point of no return, and it will all end in tears as more and more people realise they are no longer on the winning team, cannot afford houses, cars, holidays, health care, insurance, and all the other things they are used to, or even the means of putting enough food on the table. 

 

 

 

You can be my teacher Anna 👍

[ECCOnoob]

38 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Mrs Thatcher (and pal Ronald Regan, President of the USA,) started the rot by going over to Free Market Economics, ie, releasing restraints, checks and balances on businesses, turning it into a high risk freeforall, survival of the fittest etc; a super capitalist market economy. We were probably well placed to survive as a nation at the time, although the emphasis changed from manufacturing to banking the proceeds and skimming off the top. (remember the 'Yuppies?') She sold all our utilities off as well, (water, gas, electricity etc ) Shares were bought and sold, thus we lost control of the companies and suppliers.

 

Over time things changed. The ruthless and successful became super rich by 'off shoring' and other dubious practices to avoid tax and maximise profits. It was 'profit at all costs.' at the expense of everyone else. The only way to survive was to join the club and adopt equally similar cut throat policies: low wages, less workers to do more work, abandoning workers rights, etc. ie a race to the bottom. 

 

It has taken 40 years of Free market economics to get where we are now. Once the ball started rolling, no government had the guts to go it alone and try to turn the tide, even though it was well known where it would end. The banking crash of 2008 was no surprise in spite of what we were told, and the growth of 'Mega Corporations' inevitable and wrong, as pointed out years ago by groups like Occupy. We now have Corporations wealthier and more powerful than entire countries, and a few individuals sucking up nearly all of the disposable wealth, creating terrible world wide economic inequality. 

 

We have now passed  the point of no return, and it will all end in tears as more and more people realise they are no longer on the winning team, cannot afford houses, cars, holidays, health care, insurance, and all the other things they are used to, or even the means of putting enough food on the table. 

 

On another thread you were banging on about "putting things into perspective"... "glass half full"... "Positive thinking" ... "focussing on the little positives"

 

Now you come out with this load of doomongering exaggerated hysterical bull.  

 

No dear.  Most people in this country do afford a roof over their heads, many do afford to run a car (might not be a 100k mercedes but it's a car)... Even those on modest incomes do generally afford some form of holiday (there's flight these days cheaper than most train tickets)  Nearly all people in this country get their free at source healthcare irrelevant whether they are earning or not.  They simply have to walking into a hospital or GP clinic, others who work for any sort of larger employer get additional private healthcare as a matter of routine as part of their employee benefits.  Most do have insurance. All do have clothing (we are in the era of £2 Poundland t-shirts and £50 Asda suits). Most do stretch themselves to the odd treat.  They do put food on the table. 

 

Stop being so melodramatic.  It's embarrassing. 

Edited May 2 by ECCOnoob

[Al Bundy]

38 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Mrs Thatcher (and pal Ronald Regan, President of the USA,) started the rot by going over to Free Market Economics, ie, releasing restraints, checks and balances on businesses, turning it into a high risk freeforall, survival of the fittest etc; a super capitalist market economy. We were probably well placed to survive as a nation at the time, although the emphasis changed from manufacturing to banking the proceeds and skimming off the top. (remember the 'Yuppies?') She sold all our utilities off as well, (water, gas, electricity etc ) Shares were bought and sold, thus we lost control of the companies and suppliers.

 

Over time things changed. The ruthless and successful became super rich by 'off shoring' and other dubious practices to avoid tax and maximise profits. It was 'profit at all costs.' at the expense of everyone else. The only way to survive was to join the club and adopt equally similar cut throat policies: low wages, less workers to do more work, abandoning workers rights, etc. ie a race to the bottom. 

 

It has taken 40 years of Free market economics to get where we are now. Once the ball started rolling, no government had the guts to go it alone and try to turn the tide, even though it was well known where it would end. The banking crash of 2008 was no surprise in spite of what we were told, and the growth of 'Mega Corporations' inevitable and wrong, as pointed out years ago by groups like Occupy. We now have Corporations wealthier and more powerful than entire countries, and a few individuals sucking up nearly all of the disposable wealth, creating terrible world wide economic inequality. 

 

We have now passed  the point of no return, and it will all end in tears as more and more people realise they are no longer on the winning team, cannot afford houses, cars, holidays, health care, insurance, and all the other things they are used to, or even the means of putting enough food on the table. 

 

 

 

Good grief Anna, get a grip!!!

[rogets]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Mrs Thatcher (and pal Ronald Regan, President of the USA,) started the rot by going over to Free Market Economics, ie, releasing restraints, checks and balances on businesses, turning it into a high risk freeforall, survival of the fittest etc; a super capitalist market economy. We were probably well placed to survive as a nation at the time, although the emphasis changed from manufacturing to banking the proceeds and skimming off the top. (remember the 'Yuppies?') She sold all our utilities off as well, (water, gas, electricity etc ) Shares were bought and sold, thus we lost control of the companies and suppliers.

 

Over time things changed. The ruthless and successful became super rich by 'off shoring' and other dubious practices to avoid tax and maximise profits. It was 'profit at all costs.' at the expense of everyone else. The only way to survive was to join the club and adopt equally similar cut throat policies: low wages, less workers to do more work, abandoning workers rights, etc. ie a race to the bottom. 

 

It has taken 40 years of Free market economics to get where we are now. Once the ball started rolling, no government had the guts to go it alone and try to turn the tide, even though it was well known where it would end. The banking crash of 2008 was no surprise in spite of what we were told, and the growth of 'Mega Corporations' inevitable and wrong, as pointed out years ago by groups like Occupy. We now have Corporations wealthier and more powerful than entire countries, and a few individuals sucking up nearly all of the disposable wealth, creating terrible world wide economic inequality. 

 

We have now passed  the point of no return, and it will all end in tears as more and more people realise they are no longer on the winning team, cannot afford houses, cars, holidays, health care, insurance, and all the other things they are used to, or even the means of putting enough food on the table. 

 

 

 

It was only the rich that were to benefit from high house costs, and government actions from around 2003 made things far better for the wealthy, or those who had already got onto the housing ladder

 

Those who got on the ladder in 2001/2002 were the luckiest people ever - timing was everything, or being born at the right time.

 

I wouldn't say it is the free market, more a market rigged by government actions