General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[Slinny]

19 minutes ago, Slinny said:

Give them a chance old boy . Stop getting Jam Paste   Those two have had theirs . Along with Five prim ministers  

Just a point she as been turned. DOWN 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Slinny said:

Give them a chance old boy . Stop getting Jam Paste   Those two have had theirs . Along with Five prim ministers  

They'll have their chance.

[Slinny]

1 hour ago, Uggy said:

They'll have their chance.

At  what?

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Slinny said:

At  what?

To change nothing

[cressida]

On 13/08/2024 at 01:56, Anna B said:

 

We need a PR system which better reflects the wishes of the people.

Also an end to MPs privilege. They're not gods, or special, they're there to do a job of work in an efficient manner. 

They should be value for money.

 

On 13/08/2024 at 08:19, Tony said:

 

That's an interesting idea often rolled out by folk who don't have good enough ideas to convince voters. When those folk are to the right of politics they are correct to promote PR since it would put them into a coalition of power.  When they are on the left they should keep quiet - it would put them out of power for the foreseeable future. 

 

If the Tories are in as munch trouble as some would like to think - and I don't think they are - they would do well to start a campaign for proportional representation. "What?" you say! "They would be mad!"  Let me explain, but first an apology for those at the back of the class but we're going to need to use some rough numbers. If the  2024 General election was under PR, the Conservatives would have won at least 153 seats rather than the 121 they did win. Let's add in the other right leaning parties seats under PR.

 

 

Conservative	153
Reform UK	93
Liberal Democrats	79
Democratic Unionist	4
Alliance	3
Ulster Unionist	2
Traditional Unionist Voice	1
TOTAL RIGHT LEANING PARTIES	335

 

Labour would only have been guaranteed 218 seats (vs 411) but let's put their fellow left footers alongside them.

 

Labour	218
Green Party of England and Wales	41
Scottish National Party	16
Workers Party	5
Plaid Cymru	4
Scottish Greens	2
Social Democratic & Labour	2
TOTAL LEFT LEANING PARTIES	288

 

With 650 Commons seats that is a majority of 47 with a float of 27 seats roughly allocated left / right / nutters who snuck through.

 

There is a clear  day-to-day working majority for a right leaning coalition in perpetuity. "But what about the Lib-Dems?" I hear you cry! Just have a think about that before you come back with a point in which you can include the nutters who snuck through.

 

Once it is out, good luck trying to put the genie back in the bottle. PR enthusiasts should be careful what they wish for, they might just get it.

 

[cressida]

Anna,  you may find this of interest,  5Live radio phone-in,  guy said the government regards the Carer's Allowance as income,    

then said it was less than the minimum wage so was illegal would that be true?

[carosio]

It's a benefit, so perhaps doesn't fall within the scope of min. wage legislation.

 

Carer's Allowance: How it works - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

[alchresearch]

Friday morning: Louise Haigh bragging she's sorted the rail strikes.

 

Labour and fellow lefties gloating that they solved in just six weeks what Tories couldn't in two years

 

Friday afternoon...........

 

LNER train drivers to stage fresh weekend strikes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9le7vdw91o

 

[Delbow]

21 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Friday morning: Louise Haigh bragging she's sorted the rail strikes.

 

Labour and fellow lefties gloating that they solved in just six weeks what Tories couldn't in two years

 

Friday afternoon...........

 

LNER train drivers to stage fresh weekend strikes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9le7vdw91o

 

 

That's a bit disingenuous, given that the article linked to says

 

The fresh walkouts, which total 22 days, are separate to the long-running row over train driver wages at 16 train companies, which looks set to be resolved in England following a new pay offer made this week.

[El Cid]

5 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

That's a bit disingenuous, given that the article linked to says

 

The fresh walkouts, which total 22 days, are separate to the long-running row over train driver wages at 16 train companies, which looks set to be resolved in England following a new pay offer made this week.

 

I think we should try to agree on what is Labour fault and what has Labour inherited from the Tories.

This week we have had the figures for the Tory growth, so this industrial action is down to Tory industrial relations?