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[Bellatrix]

 

This is wrong.  Starmer is wrong, wilfully so; he knows this is wrong.  The important bit: The Equality Act is unclear on the remit of single-sex spaces. That’s why there’s a case working its way through the courts.  See this article for further information that Starmer chose to omit :

 

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What may seem like a legal technicality actually matters a great deal. The Equality Act includes important exceptions that allow the provision of single-sex spaces, services and sports. If having a GRC means that someone male must legally be considered female, it makes the test for lawfully excluding someone male who identifies as female from female-only services significantly more complex. It means that it could be unlawful to exclude a male with a GRC from female-only membership associations, such as a lesbian support group. It could make it impossible for a care agency to honour a disabled woman’s request for female-only intimate care, or for a woman in prison to refuse a strip-search from anyone male.

This really matters, because for many women the existence of single-sex services and spaces such as rape crisis centres and changing rooms is a matter of basic privacy, dignity and safety. This is particularly true given that some men who identify as female are open about deriving sexual fulfilment from doing so; that is their private business, but it is profoundly wrong to expect women to participate in that in public spaces. Moreover, there is the added complication that, while the legal test for excluding everyone male from a single-sex space may be fiendishly complex, it probably also constitutes unlawful discrimination not to provide female-only spaces and services to women who need them.

 

 

PS  It's the Equality Act, not the Equalities Act.  Starmer is right on that, at least.

[El Cid]

24 minutes ago, Bellatrix said:

 

This is wrong.  Starmer is wrong, wilfully so; he knows this is wrong.  The important bit: The Equality Act is unclear on the remit of single-sex spaces. That’s why there’s a case working its way through the courts.  See this article for further information that Starmer chose to omit :

PS  It's the Equality Act, not the Equalities Act.  Starmer is right on that, at least.

 

If there is a court case in progress, won't that sort out this issue?

[Prettytom]

They are even **** at lying.

 

Want to see a Government minister make a complete arse of himself?

 

 

[Bellatrix]

2 hours ago, El Cid said:

 

If there is a court case in progress, won't that sort out this issue?

The issue is that Starmer has stated that the Equality Act is clear.  It isn't, particularly in reference to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (as noted in the article I linked to above) and the possibility that the Section 35 pause on the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform Bill could be lifted by a Labour government.

 

In a response that underlines that ambiguity and complexity, The Equality and Human Rights Commission agrees (see the link to the pdf file in the article I linked to above), and describes how amendment could bring clarity in several different areas of law.  Note that the Act dates from 2010, when the 'common sense' view was that 'gender' was an acceptable and uncontentious synonym for 'sex'.

 

[Bellatrix]

Sex in the Equality Act: issues and choices for political parties.  Thorough and clear about the issues and why we need clarity.

[Baron99]

Have we now got 'Car number plate-gate? 

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-06-27/labour-administratively-suspends-senedd-member-over-car-number-plates

 

Another Lab (Welsh) MP suspended. 

[PRESLEY]

22 hours ago, Padders said:

£3 a pint. A bargain..

Extortionate. 

[hackey lad]

3 hours ago, Prettytom said:

They are even **** at lying.

 

Want to see a Government minister make a complete arse of himself?

 

 

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[Mister M]

12 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

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Amanda is a Conservative Councillor.

 

Remind you of this earlier in the campaign Hacks?

 

Questioners at Sunak warehouse speech turn out to be Tory councillors | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian

 

[hackey lad]

15 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Amanda is a Conservative Councillor.

 

Remind you of this earlier in the campaign Hacks?

 

Questioners at Sunak warehouse speech turn out to be Tory councillors | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian

 

Thank you . It was testing my psychic abilities.