General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[Slinny]

1 hour ago, PRESLEY said:

The Tory had their chance and made a real mess of things hence the landslide victory,  Starmer has the chance to do good, not just for the Labour voter but for everyone,  if his promises ref NHS ect are just pie in the sky then I for one will post my opion on him just like I did with Boris,  things aren't going to happen over night and if there is no change in the next five years he will be out. Well I for one won't ever vote Labour again like I have for last fifty odd year.

I will second all that  But like I said before the pot is nearly empty  But the BBC and Tory papers will not publish that to the public , 

[peak4]

15 hours ago, Lizzie b said:

His cabinet is made up of working class people and state educated people 

 

14 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Rubbish. 

 

I'll just leave this here;

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20 minutes ago, peak4 said:

 

 

I'll just leave this here;

For those that can't see that image:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRzkK3oWEAAT5tj?format=jpg&name=small

[melthebell]

from the BBC site

The majority of cabinet members (23 out of 25), went to comprehensive school, analysis by the Sutton Trust has found.

One attended a grammar school and one went to a private school – making it the lowest proportion of privately educated ministers since 1945.

Around 19% of Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss’s cabinet attended comprehensive schools.

Of the 25 new cabinet ministers, 40% went to Oxford or Cambridge.

[El Cid]

52 minutes ago, peak4 said:

 

I'll just leave this here;

 

Perhaps the most important cabinet member is a trained economist.

[Mister M]

With regards to the GE24, already the Tories are fizzing with fury.

Rishi Sunak has put forward that the 2 people who helped run his election campaign should receive honours. This has not gone down well, as you can imagine....

‘The entire clown show caught up with us’: Tory infighting erupts after defeat | Conservatives | The Guardian

Beautiful 

[*_ash_*]

17 hours ago, Lizzie b said:

His cabinet is made up of working class people and state educated people 

So what?

I am working class and state educated. Doesn't mean I could run a country. (though personally, I think I could! )

 

The comments on the last page about Angela Raynor are equally confusing. She did a carers job, so that qualifies her as being someone you want in charge of the country, just because she knows what a hard job is?

Using this kind of gradation, almost anyone in the country, could run the country. 

 

You also said you earned £1 an hour caring in 1984, then in 1997 Labour introduced £3.90 minimum wage so you were happy? What was your carers wage in 1997? 

My recollection in bar work at the time was we all earned £4 an hour, and when minimum wage came into effect, all the new staff were paid the lower rate of £3.40 (I think it was, not 3.90), and all the higher rate staff were pushed out (gently).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mister M]

3 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

So what?

I am working class and state educated. Doesn't mean I could run a country. (though personally, I think I could! )

 

The comments on the last page about Angela Raynor are equally confusing. She did a carers job, so that qualifies her as being someone you want in charge of the country, just because she knows what a hard job is?

Using this kind of gradation, almost anyone in the country, could run the country. 

 

You also said you earned £1 an hour caring in 1984, then in 1997 Labour introduced £3.90 minimum wage so you were happy? What was your carers wage in 1997? 

My recollection in bar work at the time was we all earned £4 an hour, and when minimum wage came into effect, all the new staff were paid the lower rate of £3.40 (I think it was, not 3.90), and all the higher rate staff were pushed out (gently).

 

It's never been usual for someone of Rayner's background to achieve what she has. Some men have (Sajid Jaavid and Nadhim Zahawi from the last Govt), very rare for women, possibly why she stands out from the crowd.

But there was a performative element to the likes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, and a few others who were almost caricatures and the reaction of those who loved this was just nauseating. 

I'm glad it over.

[*_ash_*]

17 minutes ago, Mister M said:

It's never been usual for someone of Rayner's background to achieve what she has. Some men have (Sajid Jaavid and Nadhim Zahawi from the last Govt), very rare for women, possibly why she stands out from the crowd.

But there was a performative element to the likes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, and a few others who were almost caricatures and the reaction of those who loved this was just nauseating. 

I'm glad it over.

Doesn't mean she is any good. We'll have to see what she does, but from listening to her, she just sounds like a commoner (like most people, including me) but who speaks a load of crap like the most politicians do. She's perhaps a good local MP though, or was, she won't have time for that now. 

 

Not liking people like Rees Mogg because he has money, or anyone else for that matter is just jealousy and with him inverse snobbery because he has a posh accent and what are considered dated values - and he's been voted out, so in this case, democracy has worked.  

 

And as for the graph earlier 'proving that Labour have had more people in state education', actually isn't good reading. If anything it shows that people in state education are far better at cocking up the economy than non state educated. I'm not sure how that used to suggest a positive thing. 

 

Personally, I don't care what people's background is if they do a good job in government. This whole thing of 'first woman', 'first black', 'first gay' whatever is just nonsense unless used for statistical factors.  It stinks of Tony Blair ideology. 

 

 

 

 

[melthebell]

1 hour ago, *_ash_* said:

So what?

I am working class and state educated. Doesn't mean I could run a country. (though personally, I think I could! )

 

The comments on the last page about Angela Raynor are equally confusing. She did a carers job, so that qualifies her as being someone you want in charge of the country, just because she knows what a hard job is?

Using this kind of gradation, almost anyone in the country, could run the country. 

 

You also said you earned £1 an hour caring in 1984, then in 1997 Labour introduced £3.90 minimum wage so you were happy? What was your carers wage in 1997? 

My recollection in bar work at the time was we all earned £4 an hour, and when minimum wage came into effect, all the new staff were paid the lower rate of £3.40 (I think it was, not 3.90), and all the higher rate staff were pushed out (gently).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not about being better at running the country, it's about knowing about the lives of everyday folks, the struggles, the needs, Sunak showed on his sky TV debacle he doesn't have a clue what hardships people face