General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

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2 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

Doesn't mean she is any good. We'll have to see what she does, but from listening to her, she just sounds like a commoner (like most people, including me) but who speaks a load of crap like the most politicians do. She's perhaps a good local MP though, or was, she won't have time for that now. 

Not liking people like Rees Mogg because he has money, or anyone else for that matter is just jealousy and with him inverse snobbery because he has a posh accent and what are considered dated values - and he's been voted out, so in this case, democracy has worked.  

And as for the graph earlier 'proving that Labour have had more people in state education', actually isn't good reading. If anything it shows that people in state education are far better at cocking up the economy than non state educated. I'm not sure how that used to suggest a positive thing. 

Personally, I don't care what people's background is if they do a good job in government. This whole thing of 'first woman', 'first black', 'first gay' whatever is just nonsense unless used for statistical factors.  It stinks of Tony Blair ideology. 

Decent article here, by an ex public school pupil discussing one of your points;

Why public schoolboys like me and Boris Johnson aren’t fit to run our country
Our elite schools foster emotional austerity and fierce clique loyalty. ere a privately educated writer of the prime minister’s generation reveals the lasting damage public schools do

Richard Beard - The Guardian

 

And one from Bylines

Etonocracy: How One Public School Came to Dominate Public Life
The dominance of Eton-educated men in public life is greater than it was a century ago – with Old Etonians running politics, the media, the Church, and the law

Iain Overton
 

I'd rather have the likes of James Timpson responsible for prisons than some of the previous Tories.

James Timpson on almost losing it all, the UK’s prison crisis and the underrated power of kindness   Crisis What Crisis
JUNE 10, 2022. SERIES 6. EPISODE 46

[PRESLEY]

13 hours ago, melthebell said:

It's not about being better at running the country, it's about knowing about the lives of everyday folks, the struggles, the needs, Sunak showed on his sky TV debacle he doesn't have a clue what hardships people face

People like Burnham and Raynor have been brought up in the school of hard knocks, they have experienced being skint and found it hard to have paid bills, they are intouch with hardship and the real world unlike the born in a wealthy bubble situation where their Eton/Oxford lives are mapped out for them  and havn't got a clue about financial struggle.   

[Slinny]

12 hours ago, Mister M said:

That one with the 'beetle' design?

Thanks for Putting me right on the dress H  We did not learn Indian at Frechville secondary modern ,But I think she should have toned down a bit . But if he goes to saville row he is getting ripped off  I went to India on holiday , not for me   Got jacket wore once then off it went to charity shop 

[Guest]

17 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

So what?

I am working class and state educated. Doesn't mean I could run a country. (though personally, I think I could! )

 

The comments on the last page about Angela Raynor are equally confusing. She did a carers job, so that qualifies her as being someone you want in charge of the country, just because she knows what a hard job is?

Using this kind of gradation, almost anyone in the country, could run the country. 

 

You also said you earned £1 an hour caring in 1984, then in 1997 Labour introduced £3.90 minimum wage so you were happy? What was your carers wage in 1997? 

My recollection in bar work at the time was we all earned £4 an hour, and when minimum wage came into effect, all the new staff were paid the lower rate of £3.40 (I think it was, not 3.90), and all the higher rate staff were pushed out (gently).

 

 

It is possible that anyone can end up running the country, to be an MP and maybe end up in the cabinet.

Yes Angela Raynor worked in a care home, she will know the pros and cons of this and be aware of the difficulties and problems in this sector.

£3.90 an hour was not ideal and it was a struggle as I only worked part time, 16 hours a week due to childcare.

Do you mean my monthly salary in 1997, I can’t remember as it was 37 years ago, you’re very welcome to do the maths.

By the time I left in 2005, I can’t remember how much I earned, the minimum wage increased annually, by then I was working 30 hours a week.

In 97, 3.90 was the rate for over 21 if I remember correctly, the rate for under21 escapes me.

 

 

 

 

 

[Slinny]

3 hours ago, Lizzie b said:

 

I have got a problem running a bath 

[Mister M]

The more Daily Mail readers emigrate because of a Labour government, the better as far as I'm concerned:

 

 

😂

[Wing Commander]

52 minutes ago, Mister M said:

The more Daily Mail readers emigrate because of a Labour government, the better as far as I'm concerned:

 

 

😂

You're a strange chap.  You should be forgetting about the Conservative Party and their Daily Mail supporters and enjoying the achievement of Labour winning an election.  

[El Cid]

28 minutes ago, Wing Commander said:

You're a strange chap.  You should be forgetting about the Conservative Party and their Daily Mail supporters and enjoying the achievement of Labour winning an election.  

 

The majority was that big, even some Daily Mail readers support Labour!

Yes, we should all now just work for the good of the country. I am pleased about the tone of the words used about prison overcrowding.

The very wealthy pay a lot of our taxes, tax then and be grateful?

Most of the tax I pay is spent by me, on my NHS treatment and my childrens education.

 

[Wing Commander]

8 minutes ago, El Cid said:

 

The majority was that big, even some Daily Mail readers support Labour!

Yes, we should all now just work for the good of the country. I am pleased about the tone of the words used about prison overcrowding.

The very wealthy pay a lot of our taxes, tax then and be grateful?

Most of the tax I pay is spent by me, on my NHS treatment and my childrens education.

 

You should be the Mister Chap's ghost writer.

Edited July 7 by Wing Commander

[Mister M]

1 hour ago, Wing Commander said:

You're a strange chap.  You should be forgetting about the Conservative Party and their Daily Mail supporters and enjoying the achievement of Labour winning an election.  

No never forget the Mail and its ilk. 

They may be slightly and temporarily chastened for now by the scale of the Labour victory, but it always pays to keep on eye on them and call out their lies, obfuscation and hypocrisy when they appear.