General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[BigPP]

8 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Nanny state Labour is back.....

 

Ministers 'looking very carefully' at crossbow ban following Bushey triple killing

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ministers-considering-crossbow-ban-following-33216734

 

How many crossbow murders have their been over the past 20 years?  

 

Meanwhile in Stabistan....

 

11 men stabbed in London in just 6 days with one victim dead in wave of knife crime

https://www.mylondon.news/news/8-men-stabbed-london-just-29510103

 

Bus passenger stabbed after confronting man

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1921666/london-bus-stabbing-croydon-knife-crime

 

Man sought by police after four men stabbed in face

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe3qgy9e54o

 

But yeah, you just focus  on one different incident and do a knee jerk reaction

 

Government exploring toughening crossbow rules

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-exploring-toughening-crossbow-rules

 

This was published under the 2022 to 2024 Sunak Conservative government

[Wing Commander]

4 hours ago, m williamson said:

 

What's embarrassing is the inability of some people to understand how democracy works. For years prior to Brexit there were  Eurosceptics both in the general public and in politics, Bill Cash being a prime example. They were fully entitled to their view. Also fully entitled to their views are those people now who have seen what a complete costly and damaging waste of time Brexit has turned out to be.

We are not rejoining, I doubt the EU members would accept us back as things stand. Despite the nonsense spouted by Brexiteers the EU is a democratic union consisting of 27 sovereign member states, and all of whom have to be in agreement in order to allow a new member to join. Which proves what a lie the threat of Turkey being allowed to join while we were still members was.

Even Farage accepts Brexit is a failure.

 https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-uk-eu-brexit-has-failed/#:~:text=“What Brexit has proved%2C I,has failed%2C” he added.

 

What is now required is action to repair as much of the damage as we can. Commonsense would have us rejoin the Single Market and have ' The Norway Option ' that Farage kept going on about before the referendum, but as we don't appear to bother with commonsense these days I don't suppose we will.

 

In the meantime it would be helpful if Brexiteers stopped whining about people pointing out reality and hoping for some progress.

 

Listen here Sunny, you're the one who doesn't understand how democracy works. Leave won the referendum and the result has been implemented with our country fully leaving the EU.  Labour has just won the general election and that result has been implemented because Starmer is now the prime minister.  One of the reasons why Labour became electable is because the leadership has now accepted the referendum result.  Starmer made it clear the UK will not be rejoining the Single Market.  You lack common sense because  the UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the World so why would the UK want "The Norway Option"?   

Edited July 11 by Wing Commander

[geared]

Labour won because the country was sick of the Tories, nothing more, nothing less.

[m williamson]

54 minutes ago, Wing Commander said:

Listen here Sunny, you're the one who doesn't understand how democracy works. Leave won the referendum and the result has been implemented with our country fully leaving the EU.  Labour has just won the general election and that result has been implemented because Starmer is now the prime minister.  One of the reasons why Labour became electable is because the leadership has now accepted the referendum result.  Starmer made it clear the UK will not be rejoining the Single Market.  You lack common sense because  the UK is the 5th or 6th largest economy in the World so why would the UK want "The Norway Option"?   

 

You quite obviously have no idea whatsoever as to what democracy is, and how it works. The Brexit referendum - despite being  advisory and not legally binding -  was implemented. Democracy took place.

That does not then mean that it can no longer be discussed or criticised. It was a mistake which has cost the country Billions and damaged our international reputation. It needs to be dealt with and as much damage limitation as possible carried out.

Rejoining the Single market would help SME UK businesses recover from some of the damage done by Brexit and solve the Northern Ireland problem overnight.

 

Having a big economy does not mean that the general population have a high standard of living. As of the end of April this year the UK was £2,468.6 Billion in debt.

" why would the UK want " The Norway Option "?  Norway has a Sovereign Wealth Fund of $1.4 Trillion which is over £1.08 Trillion. Despite which it chooses to be in the Single Market, that's why.

 

 

[geared]

I do love that you two continue to argue the toss, year after year.

[Mister M]

Farage's sidelining of Ben Habib is getting quite a lot of media coverage. 

What isn't getting a lot of attention is that 30p Lee is now the 'Chief Whip' of Reform....There's him and 4 other MPs in the party, and his job is to make sure party discipline is held. 

Wow, Lee's going to be pulled out with all that work he's got on....

[altus]

10 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Farage's sidelining of Ben Habib is getting quite a lot of media coverage. 

What isn't getting a lot of attention is that 30p Lee is now the 'Chief Whip' of Reform....There's him and 4 other MPs in the party, and his job is to make sure party discipline is held. 

Wow, Lee's going to be pulled out with all that work he's got on....

 

Given Farage's history of saying things against UKIP party policies in the past, he's going to be busier than you think.

[peak4]

40 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Farage's sidelining of Ben Habib is getting quite a lot of media coverage. 

What isn't getting a lot of attention is that 30p Lee is now the 'Chief Whip' of Reform....There's him and 4 other MPs in the party, and his job is to make sure party discipline is held. 

Wow, Lee's going to be pulled out with all that work he's got on....

He's not really thought through his own comment has he, assuming he's referring to himself and colleagues in the photo.

I wonder if he'll feel the need to self flagellate when he realises to what the idiom refers?

The Fox is in The Hen House  Grammarist

The idiom fox guarding the hen house goes back at least as far as the 1580s.

We will examine the definition of the phrase fox guarding the hen house, where it came from and some examples of its use in sentences.

The fox guarding the hen house describes a set of circumstances in which someone who should not be trusted has been chosen to protect someone or oversee a situation.

The choice involves someone directly unsuitable for the task, such as choosing a bank robber to guard a bank.

The idiom the fox guarding the hen house is also often used to describe someone who is put in charge of policing himself. 

[El Cid]

2 hours ago, Mister M said:

What isn't getting a lot of attention is that 30p Lee is now the 'Chief Whip' of Reform....There's him and 4 other MPs in the party, and his job is to make sure party discipline is held. 

Wow, Lee's going to be pulled out with all that work he's got on....

 

He will get a special allowance for being the chief whip, £20k+ at a guess.

[Slinny]

14 hours ago, geared said:

Labour won because the country was sick of the Tories, nothing more, nothing less.

That’s your take on it  The one and only thing  conservatives have done for me  is getting me on property ladder   ,  But that did not change my views  on them ,