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[rogets]

How many people who are desperate for change, only 4 weeks ago voted for one of the mainstream parties?

 

What will it be in 5 years time, I want change so I will vote conservatives.

 

Thats like saying I want a pet, but I don't want one that meeows, and then buying a kitten, and then complaining it keeps saying meeow

 

Edited August 12 by rogets

[El Cid]

43 minutes ago, rogets said:

How many people who are desperate for change, only 4 weeks ago voted for one of the mainstream parties?

 

What will it be in 5 years time, I want change so I will vote conservatives.

 

Thats like saying I want a pet, but I don't want one that meeows, and then buying a kitten, and then complaining it keeps saying meeow

 

 

I was just reading about Richard Tice, the multimillionaire with a trust in a tax haven, that is what they all do.

So I guess he is just a mainstream guy?

I avoid tax by using a SIPP and an ISA, we all try to avoid paying tax. What is their position on taxing millionaires?

[Slinny]

22 hours ago, hackey lad said:

If he was a Conservative H he would be great I suppose 

[Anna B]

16 hours ago, rogets said:

How many people who are desperate for change, only 4 weeks ago voted for one of the mainstream parties?

 

What will it be in 5 years time, I want change so I will vote conservatives.

 

Thats like saying I want a pet, but I don't want one that meeows, and then buying a kitten, and then complaining it keeps saying meeow

 

 

We need a PR system which better reflects the wishes of the people.

Also an end to MPs privilege. They're not gods, or special, they're there to do a job of work in an efficient manner. 

They should be value for money.

[crookesey]

I recall being labelled as ‘smug’ for posting that I have no debt and a nice standard of living, apparently I should be moaning about not having the things that I had worked hard for. Political parties are excuses for personal failures, let’s face it, life’s failures mostly did nothing to succeed at.

[Tony]

5 hours ago, Anna B said:

 

We need a PR system which better reflects the wishes of the people.

 

That's an interesting idea often rolled out by folk who don't have good enough ideas to convince voters. When those folk are to the right of politics they are correct to promote PR since it would put them into a coalition of power.  When they are on the left they should keep quiet - it would put them out of power for the foreseeable future. 

 

If the Tories are in as munch trouble as some would like to think - and I don't think they are - they would do well to start a campaign for proportional representation. "What?" you say! "They would be mad!"  Let me explain, but first an apology for those at the back of the class but we're going to need to use some rough numbers. If the  2024 General election was under PR, the Conservatives would have won at least 153 seats rather than the 121 they did win. Let's add in the other right leaning parties seats under PR.

 

Conservative	153
Reform UK	93
Liberal Democrats	79
Democratic Unionist	4
Alliance	3
Ulster Unionist	2
Traditional Unionist Voice	1
TOTAL RIGHT LEANING PARTIES	335

 

Labour would only have been guaranteed 218 seats (vs 411) but let's put their fellow left footers alongside them.

Labour	218
Green Party of England and Wales	41
Scottish National Party	16
Workers Party	5
Plaid Cymru	4
Scottish Greens	2
Social Democratic & Labour	2
TOTAL LEFT LEANING PARTIES	288

 

With 650 Commons seats that is a majority of 47 with a float of 27 seats roughly allocated left / right / nutters who snuck through.

 

There is a clear  day-to-day working majority for a right leaning coalition in perpetuity. "But what about the Lib-Dems?" I hear you cry! Just have a think about that before you come back with a point in which you can include the nutters who snuck through.

 

Once it is out, good luck trying to put the genie back in the bottle. PR enthusiasts should be careful what they wish for, they might just get it.

[Anna B]

46 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

That's an interesting idea often rolled out by folk who don't have good enough ideas to convince voters. When those folk are to the right of politics they are correct to promote PR since it would put them into a coalition of power.  When they are on the left they should keep quiet - it would put them out of power for the foreseeable future. 

 

If the Tories are in as munch trouble as some would like to think - and I don't think they are - they would do well to start a campaign for proportional representation. "What?" you say! "They would be mad!"  Let me explain, but first an apology for those at the back of the class but we're going to need to use some rough numbers. If the  2024 General election was under PR, the Conservatives would have won at least 153 seats rather than the 121 they did win. Let's add in the other right leaning parties seats under PR.

 

 

Conservative	153
Reform UK	93
Liberal Democrats	79
Democratic Unionist	4
Alliance	3
Ulster Unionist	2
Traditional Unionist Voice	1
TOTAL RIGHT LEANING PARTIES	335

 

Labour would only have been guaranteed 218 seats (vs 411) but let's put their fellow left footers alongside them.

 

Labour	218
Green Party of England and Wales	41
Scottish National Party	16
Workers Party	5
Plaid Cymru	4
Scottish Greens	2
Social Democratic & Labour	2
TOTAL LEFT LEANING PARTIES	288

 

With 650 Commons seats that is a majority of 47 with a float of 27 seats roughly allocated left / right / nutters who snuck through.

 

There is a clear  day-to-day working majority for a right leaning coalition in perpetuity. "But what about the Lib-Dems?" I hear you cry! Just have a think about that before you come back with a point in which you can include the nutters who snuck through.

 

Once it is out, good luck trying to put the genie back in the bottle. PR enthusiasts should be careful what they wish for, they might just get it.

 

Interesting and certainly worth thinking about...

However I was hoping for a new type of co-operative governance, rather than sticking to the adversarial one we have now.

Maybe even doing away with party affiliation altogether.

I'd be interested in looking at how the Scandinavian countries organise theirs. 

 

 

[crookesey]

DON’T VOTE, YOU’LL ONLY ENCOURAGE THEM

[El Cid]

4 hours ago, Tony said:

 

That's an interesting idea often rolled out by folk who don't have good enough ideas to convince voters. When those folk are to the right of politics they are correct to promote PR since it would put them into a coalition of power.  When they are on the left they should keep quiet - it would put them out of power for the foreseeable future. 

 

If the Tories are in as munch trouble as some would like to think - and I don't think they are - they would do well to start a campaign for proportional representation. "What?" you say! "They would be mad!"  Let me explain, but first an apology for those at the back of the class but we're going to need to use some rough numbers. If the  2024 General election was under PR, the Conservatives would have won at least 153 seats rather than the 121 they did win. Let's add in the other right leaning parties seats under PR.

 

 

Conservative	153
Reform UK	93
Liberal Democrats	79
Democratic Unionist	4
Alliance	3
Ulster Unionist	2
Traditional Unionist Voice	1
TOTAL RIGHT LEANING PARTIES	335

 

Labour would only have been guaranteed 218 seats (vs 411) but let's put their fellow left footers alongside them.

 

Labour	218
Green Party of England and Wales	41
Scottish National Party	16
Workers Party	5
Plaid Cymru	4
Scottish Greens	2
Social Democratic & Labour	2
TOTAL LEFT LEANING PARTIES	288

 

With 650 Commons seats that is a majority of 47 with a float of 27 seats roughly allocated left / right / nutters who snuck through.

 

There is a clear  day-to-day working majority for a right leaning coalition in perpetuity. "But what about the Lib-Dems?" I hear you cry! Just have a think about that before you come back with a point in which you can include the nutters who snuck through.

 

Once it is out, good luck trying to put the genie back in the bottle. PR enthusiasts should be careful what they wish for, they might just get it.

 

I have done similar graphs in the past and it came out with more left-leaning voters.

You dont want PR, well how bad could it be, do you think there could be rioting in our cities?

[El Cid]

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/14719-british-people-view-socialism-more-favourably-capi

 

British people are more likely to view socialism favourably than capitalism