General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[cuttsie]

4 hours ago, Tony said:

 

That's an interesting idea often rolled out by folk who don't have good enough ideas to convince voters. When those folk are to the right of politics they are correct to promote PR since it would put them into a coalition of power.  When they are on the left they should keep quiet - it would put them out of power for the foreseeable future. 

 

If the Tories are in as munch trouble as some would like to think - and I don't think they are - they would do well to start a campaign for proportional representation. "What?" you say! "They would be mad!"  Let me explain, but first an apology for those at the back of the class but we're going to need to use some rough numbers. If the  2024 General election was under PR, the Conservatives would have won at least 153 seats rather than the 121 they did win. Let's add in the other right leaning parties seats under PR.

 

 

Conservative	153
Reform UK	93
Liberal Democrats	79
Democratic Unionist	4
Alliance	3
Ulster Unionist	2
Traditional Unionist Voice	1
TOTAL RIGHT LEANING PARTIES	335

 

Labour would only have been guaranteed 218 seats (vs 411) but let's put their fellow left footers alongside them.

 

Labour	218
Green Party of England and Wales	41
Scottish National Party	16
Workers Party	5
Plaid Cymru	4
Scottish Greens	2
Social Democratic & Labour	2
TOTAL LEFT LEANING PARTIES	288

 

With 650 Commons seats that is a majority of 47 with a float of 27 seats roughly allocated left / right / nutters who snuck through.

 

There is a clear  day-to-day working majority for a right leaning coalition in perpetuity. "But what about the Lib-Dems?" I hear you cry! Just have a think about that before you come back with a point in which you can include the nutters who snuck through.

 

Once it is out, good luck trying to put the genie back in the bottle. PR enthusiasts should be careful what they wish for, they might just get it.

Bring it on get rid of the freeloaders born to lead .

[Tony]

55 minutes ago, El Cid said:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/14719-british-people-view-socialism-more-favourably-capi

 

British people are more likely to view socialism favourably than capitalism

 

 

That article is from five prime ministers ago   but even so, the results are within the margin of error.

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While British people on balance tend to have an unfavourable view of capitalism (39% view it unfavourably, 33% favourably), more people (36%) view socialism favourably than negatively (32%).

 

 

Moreover, I have a strong impression that most people don't actually understand what socialism or capitalism actually are, or what the UK practices in whole or part. 

[El Cid]

7 minutes ago, Tony said:

That article is from five prime ministers ago   but even so, the results are within the margin of error.

 

Moreover, I have a strong impression that most people don't actually understand what socialism or capitalism actually are, or what the UK practices in whole or part. 

 

It has been said that Boris Johnson was a socialist. Capitalisism on the Libertarian wing believe in small Government, not bailing out bankers, businesses and laying off workers and giving them 80% of their wages, small Government.

Most nations seem to follow a charismatic leader, like sheep.

[crookesey]

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

 

It has been said that Boris Johnson was a socialist. Capitalisism on the Libertarian wing believe in small Government, not bailing out bankers, businesses and laying off workers and giving them 80% of their wages, small Government.

Most nations seem to follow a charismatic leader, like sheep.

All that the hate brigade of both main parties understands is that whatever the opposing party says, is wrong, Boris is well out of it.

[Slinny]

3 hours ago, crookesey said:

All that the hate brigade of both main parties understands is that whatever the opposing party says, is wrong, Boris is well out of it.

Try Again.  Railways  Rivers   Roads  House Bills.   House building   Police we need many more. Councils money cut 40 per cent   Supper market prices not moving at all  Five Leaders   All Front Bench Lying to save their Jobs To Keep a toe rag like Johnson     This Government as a Mountain to climb  

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, Slinny said:

Try Again.  Railways  Rivers   Roads  House Bills.   House building   Police we need many more. Councils money cut 40 per cent   Supper market prices not moving at all  Five Leaders   All Front Bench Lying to save their Jobs To Keep a toe rag like Johnson     This Government as a Mountain to climb  

Don't worry mate , Labours in now . Everything will be rosy . 

[Slinny]

21 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Don't worry mate , Labours in now . Everything will be rosy . 

Well H they can’t do any worse than your lot  Strange l would have thought your family would all be labour 

[Mister M]

😂

 

[The_DADDY]

4 minutes ago, Mister M said:

😂

 

Seems quite disrespectful to me.

[Mister M]

3 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Seems quite disrespectful to me.

He didn't do it on purpose, he didn't recognise her!